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Sandy/K/MO - Welcome everyone :-) tonight we are going to talk about phonemic awareness.
Sandy/K/MO - Should we start with a definition of PA?
Christina/K - Phonemic Awareness?? anyone care to elaborate on what this means. Is it simply listening to the sounds in words - Sandy?
Sandy/K/MO - Phonemic awareness is the understanding that spoken words are made up of a series of discrete sounds.
Hope - I think it is the relationship between the letter and the sound it makes
Sandy/K/MO - Phonics deals with the learning of sound-spelling relationships and is associated with printed words.
Hope - Phonics is the rules
Addie k/mo - according to my new book, phonemic awareness, it is the ability to examine lang. independent of meaning (hear the sounds that make up words), attend to sounds in words and manipulate component sounds
Christina/K - so PA has to do with listening and not spelling words??
Sandy/K/MO - do you have anything to add... Grace, Addie?
Djinn - P. Cunningham says, " the ability to manipulate sounds."
Addie k/mo - yes, phonemic awareness is an auditory skill, independent of word meaning or visual cues
Kathleen - Research has shown conclusively that children's phonological awareness, their ability to detect sounds in speech in order to learn sound-letter relations, is one of the best predictors of their success in learning to read.
Sandy/K/MO - There are several different things you can do and many are sung or games...
Grace/IL - I rather like Cunningham's definition. Children need to be aware that words are composed of separate sounds.
Kathy - addie, do you have a new book that you wrote, or is it just a new book by another author?
Christina/K - I found a good resource for PA that I have just started to use - It is Evan Moor - PHONEMIC AWARENESS THROUGH LANGUAGE PLAY
Sandy/K/MO - The ability to hear rhymes and alliteration (nursery rhymes)
Addie k/mo - it is a new book by another author, LOL, i don't have a book!!!
Kathy - I have Phonemic Awareness by Jo Fitzpatrick (CTP) which has a lot of good ideas in it..
Hope - tongue twisters help too
Addie k/mo - it is called "phonemic awareness" and it is published by creative teaching press. it is by jo fitzpatrick.
Laurie/AR - is it like asking them what sounds they hear at the beginning, middle, and end of words?
Sandy/K/MO - Phonemic Awareness songs and rhymes by jordano and Callella-jones CTP
Addie k/mo - laurie, that is part of it,
Grace/IL - Do you not think there are a few children who never achieve phonemic awareness? Just playing devil's advocate here.
Sandy/K/MO - This is a link Addie had sent in earlier http://www.readingonline.org/critical/phonemic/pos_statement_intro.html
Kathy - but I have tested children who have some phonemic awareness but no sight vocabulary ???
Addie k/mo - kids need lots of experiences at "playing"with language...listening for alliteration and rhyme, rearranging letters to make other words.
Djinn - Grace - I have students with speech difficulties who are having problems with phonemic awareness.
Laurie/AR - I teach second grade. What are some ideas to help students who need it?
Sharon - Some children will not be able to hear the sounds. My son had numerous ear infections and partial hearing loss before tubes were put in. He can not distinguish between sounds. Fortunately he is compensating for it and it reading beautifully.
Sandy/K/MO - http://www.teachers.net/lessons/posts/507.html
Hope - That's so common Djinn
Kathleen - Phonemic Awareness in Young Children, A Curriculum by M. J. Adams, et al http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1557663211/teachersnet
Djinn - Also hearing impaired children will have difficulty with phonemic awareness
Sandy/K/MO - http://www.teachers.net/lessons/posts/228.html
m.a. - I have a boy with great difficulty in reading/spelling. I gave him a phonemic awareness test and he surprise me. Did well, I was sure he couldn't hear the sounds.
Addie k/mo - a game that my kids like is when we are working on a certain letter sound, say /n/ the kids say their name beginning with that sound, so we have "addie" and "nistina" and "njinn" and "nace", etc....they think it is really funny
Sandy/K/MO - http://www.teachers.net/lessons/posts/391.html
Djinn - Has anyone used the pvc phones talked about on the 4 blocks mailring? making little phones so they can hear themselves?
Kathy - doesn't research also support that some of the children in the intermediate grades who are reading below grade level often lack phonemic awareness?
Sandy/K/MO - Phonemic Awarness Activities for Early Reading Success by Wiley Blevins
Kathleen - Grace, would you post your url so that people can read about your word study program and manual?
Laurie/AR - Being from the south, I have noticed that children hear different sounds because we say words incorrectly. ex. Feeeeeel for the word fill.
joanne - How much do any of you collaborate with your Music teacher to reinforce this?
Addie k/mo - you can put a visual component with some phonemic awareness activities...like using mirrors so that the kids can see what their mouths look like when they say a certain sound
Djinn - no music teacher here! no specials
Sandy/K/MO - The ability to hear rhymes and alliteration (nursery rhymes)
S.G. kinder - Taching Childre to read by D.Ray Reutzel and Robert Cooter is hot here in Dallas and is part of our Dallas Reading Plan.
Kathy - isn't phonemic awareness developmental and needs to be taught?
Grace/IL - I went back and read last year's transcript of the PA session. I continue to think that slow pronunciation of words, particulary those containing continuants, is helpful.
Sandy/K/MO - The ability to do odd tasks (picture of sock, sun, man) Which picture begins with a different sound? man)
Kathleen - joanne, excellent point-collaborating with Music teacher. Many probably are unaware and could benefit from the same training on this topic as classroom teachers
Djinn - Kathy- singing rhyming songs and silly sentences are a prt of teaching phonemic awareness. Nursery rhymes are great for that
Sharon - I could see where a speech pathologist could be a wonderful classroom resource for this
Kathleen - Grace, please define "continuants"
Sandy/K/MO - The ability to orally blend words and split syllables /s/......... at What is the word "sat".
m.a. - Month by Month Phonics seems to help many but not all kids.
Addie k/mo - kathy, many kids develop phonemic awareness on their own, but those that do not, do need to be taught....kids are less and less likely to have participated in activities like nursery rhymes at home...things that have been done traditionally that develop PA
Sandy/K/MO - The ability to orally segment words.... what sounds do you hear in sat (/s/ /a/ /t/)
S.G. kinder - Clapping syllables is very good, changing the vowel sounds in their names,
Kathy - funny you should say that about speech therapists. I had a long talk with her today about PA
joanne - As a Music teacher, I am constantly working on proper vowel production and consonants......I am sure it could be a great match.....
Christina/K - I have been working with a speech path - she does withdrawal with my SK and works on PA activities
Kathleen - An ERIC Digest about phonological awareness and beginning reading for students with learning disabilities: http://www.ldonline.org//ld_indepth/reading/eric540.html
Djinn - Kathy- singing rhyming songs and silly sentences are a prt of teaching phonemic awareness. Nursery rhymes are great for that
Grace/IL - Continuants are sounds that are prolonged like /f/ /m/ /n/ as opposed to stop consonante /t/ /d/ etc.
Kathleen - The song, "Apples and Bananas" is a good one for this purpose, changes the vowels to nonsense words.
S.G. kinder - Yes, using thir names for funny rhymes gets their attention.
Addie k/mo - our speech path is going to do push in with me next year. i am excited about that. i will have a hearing impaired student and a severe artic/lang needs student, so she is doing daily push in during our center time and working with these two.
Grace/IL - Joanne, it is a good match.
joanne - The Name Game.......song, remember it?
Djinn - Addie - I agree- many of our students are coming to school with no background- no one reads or sings to them. We must provide that from the start
Kathy - what about 4th and 5th graders without PA? any suggestions on activities??
Christina/K - I tell my kids I am going to talk like a robot s a t - what is the word
Kathleen - Addie, what is "push in"?
Sandy/K/MO - make number rhymes
lorip123 - There is a great set of phonemic awareness books that uses song and rhymes. Are any of you familiar with those?
Addie k/mo - the "banana-fana" song is a good one for manipulating sounds using their names
Christina/K - I know that ctp puts out Phonemic Awareness of Fall Winter Spring Summer
Kathleen - joanne, boanne, bo-boann banana fanna fo fo-ann
Addie k/mo - when the speech path (or other special services person) works with the child within the context of the classroom rather than "pulling them out" for ind. or small group therapy
m.a. - Kathleen, push in...specialist comes to the classroom rather than "pull out"
lorip123 - My kids love the books, they beg to learn another song. Yes, those are the ones I'm speaking of Christiana. Worth every penny!
Djinn - P. Cunningham's Month by Month Reading and writing in Kinder. is great for phonemic awareness activities
lorip123 - They are put out by CTP.
Christina/K - thats good to hear - I was going to buy them
HIL - We use Open Court Reading and I think it does a good job with phonemic awareness
Sandy/K/MO - Phonemic Awareness Songs & Rhymes Creative Teaching Press By Kimberly Jordano and Trisha Callella-Jones Fall, Winter, Spring (3 books) PreK-2
Addie k/mo - we will be espeically working on pragmatic language and vocab. dev. with the hearing impaired child...what better place to learn the social uses of language, but within the social context?
Hope - here's a suggestion, count words, use grapes, or raisens, or anything yummy and the teacher says a sentence. Students put an object down for each word then the s's repeat the sentence. The teacher repeats it and the s's check it then the teacher repeats it slowly and puts her objects down. This is good for counting too.
lorip123 - All of the songs are sung to familiar song melodies.
Hope - What is open court reading?
Sandy/K/MO - all the ones I read are.. with familiar songs
HIL - It is a reading program by SRA McGraw Hill
joanne - Just make sure when singing that you pitch it high enough......developmentally for the students' singing age.....
Kathleen - Easy Lessons for Teaching Word Families : Hands-On Lessons That Build Phonemic Awareness, Phonics, Spelling, Reading, and Writing Skills -- Judy Lynch http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0590685708/teachersnet
Christina/K - after counting each word we did a chip or block for each sound - 3 blocks for CAT - my stronger kids can do this.
HIL - Has many strategies and uses most of the suggestions we are making
Kathy - do you think 4/5th graders would go for the songs, tongue twisters, etc.?
lorip123 - Or not pitched too high also.....
Djinn - We also clap they syllables - using their names in the beginning
HIL - like the name song , Apples and Bananas etc
joanne - Many times, people will sing way too low for students developmentally.......this is where it would help to collaborate with the music teacher......I make tapes for the teachers to use in the classroom.....plus, some of the teachers do not like to sing to their students.....
Sandy/K/MO - I started doing phoenemic awareness more this year and I can tell a difference in the kids
Kathy - what exactly is the apples and bananas song?
S.G. kinder - Yes Kathy, don't be afraid to take them back to whatthey missed. They have to get it somewhere.
Grace/IL - 4th & 5th graders would love Pig Latin as in your name, athy-kay
Djinn - Sandy - me too - it made a big difference this year.
HIL - I use a chart a week- and we read it daily or most times sing it
Sandy/K/MO - They could do sentence manipulation
m.a. - Maybe I need to do more music with them
Addie k/mo - yes, kathy if they were about topics that were of interest to them...i remember singing all sorts of songs as a girl scout and we loved them....she's an old pile of tin, no one knows what shape she's in, got four wheels and running board she's a four-door, she's a ford...etc
lorip123 - HIL, can you give us an example of a chart that you would sing?
Grace/IL - I think alliteration may also be good for 4th-5th
HIL - Kathy - it goes - I like to eat ,eat ,eat apples and bananas-- then you change the vowels
Christina/K - I to have found a difference - esp compared to other K teacher who is not doing this. Both classes will be tested in one to see if PA work pays off.
Sandy/K/MO - ma... I have used more music/rap this year and they even learned money much easier
joanne - Music is such a great vehicle for this.........another reason why MUSIC should not be cut out of any school curriculum's!!
Sharon - music is great, as long as you are not in an open-space school! Sometimes coworkers get upset with the noise!
Kathleen - Grace, some examples of activities for 4th-5th using alliteration please?
HIL - Popcorn , popcorn yum yum yum, Don't you wish that you had some
S.G. kinder - Kathy, the song that does vowel substitution, I like to eat, eat eat apples and bananas, the, I like to oat oat opples and bononos, etc.
Addie k/mo - i like to eat, i like to eat, i like to eat, eat apples and bananas...(repeat) then change the vowels a lake to ate, a lake to ate, a lake to ate, ate apples and bananas
Kathy - I think that with marie clay, and cunningham's 4 block, more people are aware of PA and are using more activities in the classroom...
joanne - The apples and bananas song is in the Silver Burdett Music series book I believe......Kindergarten or 1st grade......
Djinn - What about tongue twisters Grace? great for alliteration
Grace/IL - Alliteration -- It's a misty meadow morning
Kathy - gotcha, on the song, song, song....
HIL - I spent most of a summer looking for nursery rhymes, jump rope chants and short songs that could be done as charts
Kathleen - I have the Apples and Bananas song on tape through Kids Songs
joanne - If it's not in there then you can find it in Music and You music series........just check with your Music teacher!
Djinn - Jump rope rhymes and chants are great and fun
PR/NH - Kathleen- Graeme Base has a wonderful alliteration book Animalia. 4th and 5th graders could read it and then try to write their own version in pairs or threes. It's a lot of fun and a wonderfully descriptive book!!
Grace/IL - Djinn, tongue twisters are great,
HIL - When I couldn't find one to go with a topic then I wrote one - like Piggy Back songs
Addie k/mo - A my name is Alice and my friend's name is Ann. We come from Alabama and we sell apples.
Hope - So should PA be learned by the third grade, maybe not mastered but well on their way????
Djinn - PR - one of my favorite books!
joanne - And all of the nursery rhymes, jump rope chants, etc. are perfect working on rhythm in Music......so, there you have cross curriculum teaching......
HIL - A favorite-- I come from Savannah Ga yes It's the place for me close by the Atlantic Ocean - I'm as happy as can be. Oh I love Savannah yes it's the place for me, is no place else in this wide world that I would rather be
Sandy/K/MO - there are a lot of the short little pocket poems that are good also
S.G. kinder - We make us stories using words that begin with a particular letter, then read them, cirlcle all the "letters "of the day. You know , alliteration."
Addie k/mo - hope, from what i have read,that is true
Hope - Addie, I remember doing that as a child!
Grace/IL - PA should really be mastered in first grade -- except those with real hearing or auditory processing problems.
Kathy - what type of "testing" would you suggest for those 4/5th graders who you think have not developed PA?
Christina/K - I agree Grace - ages 4 - 6 are the most crucial accd to new brain research
PR/NH - Wanted to mention an awesome program I'm involved in this year in K. Speech, occupational therapist, primary LD and reading teacher go into the K each week to do phonemic awareness activities. We focus on a particular area (i.e. segmentation) and do 4 centers that kids rotate through. It's really given us a wonderful picture of the kids.
HIL - As the year goes on I use them to pick out compound words, vowel sounds etc
Christina/K - Kathy - how about simple sound discrim - what is beginning middle end sound of a word
Addie k/mo - kathy, i would think it would depend on their achievement level and what other problems exist...i would think that they may have multiple problems if they are that far behind in PA
Grace/IL - We can do all the activities that were ever contrived but I think slowly saying and writing real words does the job faster than anything else.
m.a. - So Grace, what do you do for the auditory processing
Christina/K - PR/NH what type of centres do you do?
Kathy - would you think that blending and segmentation testing be appropriate for the 4/5th graders?
HIL - With the Open Court reading you do a blending and segmentation lesson every day
Djinn - Grace - you are right, you need to scaffold the activities and use interacitve writing- sounding out etc. right along with the word games
S.G. kinder - We're doing something lke that here in Texas, PR/NH, but the lead teacher trains teachers in the use of centers and Balanced Literacy.
Grace/IL - m.a., say the words slowly. If they don't reproduce the sounds, teach them how the sounds are formed by lips, tongue, etc.
S.G. kinder - Literacy centers , that is.
HIL - I was reading about Give it a Try sheets -those sound good to me
moly - any opinions on Saxon phonics and PA?
PR/NH - Christine, for example last week we did 2nd week of segmentation. Had a drum at my center and we beat the drum for each phoneme. At another center the kids threw a beanbag through the hula hoop for each phoneme. At another they hopped into taped off squares and at the last the kids moved toy cars into garages (similar to Elkonin boxes) for each phoneme (only used 2 and 3 phoneme words).
Djinn - as you develop theeir phonemic awareness you must include all that comes with a balanced literacy program. Nothing works if taught in isolation Just my opinion
Hope - Hil is that for inventive spelling?
Sandy/K/MO - I agree Djinn, everything connects
m.a. - He can reproduce the sounds with me Grace, but doesn't carry through independently in writing
Addie k/mo - djinn, that is a very good point...phonemic awareness is a part of a balanced literacy program
PR/NH - Kathy, are you talking ages 4/5 or grades 4/5
HIL - Yes-- I was thinking of adding a column for having the teacher segment and the student write the sounds they hear
Kathleen - The Spel-Lang Tree Word Study Program by Grace Viduna Haskins: http://user.mc.net/~gsh/
HIL - That way they would have 2 tries on their own- 1 with teacher helping then the dictionary spelling
Grace/IL - m.a., have you had him write a word immediately after he says it?
joanne - I had a teacher who had an ESL student who was having trouble producing certain sounds......I worked with him by singing them and it really helped him quickly.....
HIL - I have also had really good success with a puppet
Kathy - grades 4 and 5
Hope - Hil. did you get that idea from Regie Routman?
Djinn - OK - would those little phones work? using pvc and elbows the students can hear themselves talk? Anyone use them? Anyone?
m.a. - Yes! 100% accuracy then!
joanne - After all, singing is sustaining vowel sounds.......
HIL - No - although it may be his too -- I just thought of it after reading about it on mail ring
Addie k/mo - i think that phonemic awareness activities can make great filler activties too, and when used consistently will really help out the kids...2 or 3 minutes several times a day all year long will add up...and most kids need lots of repetition for the process to become automatic
bluebird - I saw the phone in Indiana from Cheryle Sigmon. I came back and made one. It works.
PR/NH - Djinn, I haven't used it but have heard great things about it!
Djinn - Thanks- been thinking of making some and wanted to know if they worked
HIL - The puppet leaves off sounds (initial or final) and the kids tell him what he forgot
Addie k/mo - can you describe how you make the phones?
bluebird - The phone is made from a male and female elbow joint of PVC. Cheap.... about $1.50 at Lowes.
PR/NH - Addie, I agree you can do short lessons that have such an impact over time!
joanne - That phone is also used in MUSIC to help with pitch awareness........
gia - and what do they do with the phone
Addie k/mo - yes, and you are not wasting those little snippets of time
Djinn - gia- they can read into the phone and hear themselves -
bluebird - The Word block of the Cunningham Model addresses phonics so well. We use Phonics We Use heavily.
joanne - I have 2 of the "phones"......it really helps students hear themselves.......they are amazed!!!
HIL - We use letter cards -similar to Pat Cunningham's Making Words activities
Site Monitor - So the phone is meant to help the child hear him/herself? It goes from ear to mouth?
Addie k/mo - i have got to do this phone thing! if i go look at male and female pcv joints, it will make sense how to put them together
bluebird - The phone works great for kids who are having trouble silently reading. The elbow brings the sound right back up to their ear. It is amazing. Great accomodation for target students.
Kathleen - Phonological Awareness links: http://scrtec.org/track/tracks/t00378.html
Sandy/K/MO - make some different rhyme cards.. then have them do a rhyme sort or with letters a-z
Christina/K - I have several rhyme, initial consonant file folder games from the big CD file folder book.
Djinn - Sandy- my kids loved pocket charting using rhyming picture cards!
HIL - I do the weekly charts as part of my calendar time - only take a few minutes
joanne - And the rhymes that you are talking about could be done to music......sustaining the words as music often makes it easier for them.......
Gumbo/K/La - I just got a great little book yesterday----Phonemic Awareness from Creative Teaching Press.......
Sandy/K/MO - you can do the same with vowels, consonants and blends
Djinn - Greg and Steve have a rhyming song the kids loved. They give you a word and you say all the rhymes that you can think of.
moly - Djinn could you give more details on picture rhyme and pocket chart?
Sandy/K/MO - I just glanced at this link but it really seem good http://www.readingonline.org/critical/phonemic/pos_statement_intro.html Addie sent it in
bluebird - I wish we had more singing in our school. Some people are just not comfortable with singing.
Addie k/mo - my kids love our poems and chart set to music..i have an electric keyboard in my class and i record our songs with different backgrounds...the year before last i had kids who would make up tunes to poems without music...they would sing them and i would replicate their melody and put it on the keyboard with a background...they thought they were uptown!
Sandy/K/MO - you can do all kinds of rhymes.. sky words, woods words, so you can pretty much come up with rhymes no matter what theme
Djinn - Moly - I have picture cards of rhyming words - a cat, a hat, a rat etc. The pictures with word on the bottom for higher levels. They are put in a basket and the students places them in a pocket chart with other cards that match
Kathy - it has different activities for the different levels of PA....(it's the one with the girl on the front cover with the squirrel whispering in her ear)
joanne - Get your MUSIC teacher to help with the singing part, too!
S.G. kinder - Joan, Teach poems and songs and display them on the overhead as you point to the words. Circle rhyming worlds. Give them a copy to take home. Knowing the song will help them develop good reading skills,
Gumbo/K/La - I did a theme-related song and/or poem each week......Kids I had were enthusiastic singers and loved it.....so did I .....:-)
HIL - They do love it -- we have songs for lining up, reading stories etc
Kathleen - Phonemic Awareness from Creative Teaching Press, $12.95
joanne - Yep, I am.......Reading and vocal production are very important in Music.....if they can't read and speak, then they will have problems in my class......
Marcia - I can't sing,,, but I find a tape and sing along with it. They kids know the difference , but they like your enthuasism
Sandy/K/MO - Pocket charts for emergent readers interative by scholastic
HIL - The music teacher said she could really tell that we sang in the room because the kids picked up new songs so quickly and were so willing to sing
Gumbo/K/La - My kids had a notebook to glue in the poems/songs of the week....and they illustrated them.....lots of fun and they loved reading the words....had them on charts in the room, too......mostly piggyback songs cuz I'm amusical, but fun nonetheless.....
Christina/K - Sandy: does that book provide clip art pictures to use in pocket charts?
bluebird - I was talking to a friend tonight. She has a publishing party at the end of every school year. Tonight she had a "poem walk." Each child had learned a poem during the year. Poems were written on "sandwich" type boards and hung around their necks.
Sandy/K/MO - when you do calendar.. you could have 6 different poems/songs.. roll a numbered diced and then say that poem
Kathleen - Have you talked about the Elkonian boxes yet tonight?
Sandy/K/MO - Yes Christina.. that's the only way I can draw :-)
Kathleen - Does anyone know of a good assessment tool used for screening for phonemic awareness?
Djinn - No Kathleen we haven't. Would you like to elaborate?
Peachy - Explain those, Kathleen.
Sandy/K/MO - kathleen haven't talked about them yet... want to start?
angie - Marcia can I get some information about other poems from you as well. I am a new teacher and I am trying to find some good material.
HIL - I have a zillion charts made on nearly every topic I teach
Addie k/mo - the phonemic awareness book that i referred to earlier has what looks to be a very good assessment...have never used it, but plan to next year
Lynda - I work in a preschool and we make up poems and songs just about daily
Christina/K - Kathleen - our board just developed a screening test - I could send it to the mailring
Gumbo/K/La - Katthy----2 of my favorites: A Poem a Day by helen h. moore and 101 Science Poems and Songs for Young Learners by Meish Goldish.....
Sandy/K/MO - Hope they are words that you pick out that are about the woods, animals, trees etc.
Kathleen - Elkonian boxes are simply boxes for recording the sounds heard in words, placed under a picture, letters for sounds are recorded in the boxes. one box for each letter/sound.
HIL - Are Elkonian boxes the ones in which you place a coin for each sound heard
Kathy - in K we do a rhyming assessment where you give the child a rhyme and they have to come up with a word (real or nonsense) that rhymes with it
S.G. kinder - Kathleen, see if they can clap syllables. Ask the to seperate the sounds of a small word like cat, model, then give them another word. If they can do it, they have phonemic awareness.
Djinn - Kathleen - These are like the boxes used in reading recovery? I have been using them in interactive writing
Kathy - In gr. 1, we have 2 parts...one is segmentation and one is blending
Kathleen - HIL, you could use the boxes to keep track of the number of sounds, too
HIL - Have you seen the book Building Literacy with Interactive Charts
joanne - And as an added motivator, instead of clapping, you could have the students playing a hand instrument as they are saying the words, letters, syllables, etc........
angie - What should you do for the assessment Kathy? Could you repeat your suggestion?
Kathleen - Djinn, I understand that Elkonian boxes are used in Reading Recovery, yes
Grace/IL - Another way to teach syllables -- Have children put hand under chin. Mouth opens for every syllable. This is much more reliable than clapping.
bluebird - The phonics block in 4 blocks addresses so many of our concerns. We use Month by Month too.
HIL - Interesting Grace -- I haven't tried that
Gumbo/K/La - How about Skinner boxes???? ;-)
Public Enemy - Why Grace? It seemed to me that clapping was easiest?
Addie k/mo - this assessment in "phonemic awareness" tests whole word discrim, recognizing rhyme, application of rhyme, syllable counting, syllable segmentation, blending, approximation, phoneme isolation, phoneme segmentation, phoneme deletion and phoneme substitution
Kathy - K - rhyming words, gr. 1 - sementation and blending...
Kathy - what is a skinner box?
Addie k/mo - the assessment is three pages long and reproducable
Gumbo/K/La - There's a phonemic awareness inventory in this Creative Teaching Press book.....
Grace/IL - PE, there are some children who don't seem to be able to coordinate clapping with syllables. Try the hand under the chin thing. It CAN'T fail.
joanne - Public Enemy, some kids don't understand how to count syllables, if they can FEEL it, they understand it quicker.....does that make sense? The more senses that you can involve, the better they will do........
Christina/K - addie - which PA book does this assessment come from? How would you ever have time to do such a long test - ours is one page
Sandy/K/MO - Addie is the assessment you are talking about at the end of the book?
S.G. kinder - 're going on an interview. Good luck, you'll do great.Kathleen, see if they can clap syllables. Ask the to seperate the sounds of a small word like cat, model, then give them another word. If they can do it, they have phonemic awareness.
Sandy/K/MO - movement, music, etc. with syllables also address Multi Intel
Addie k/mo - i think that it is good to practice the syllables different ways...clapping, hand on chin, instruments, stomping, slapping thighs, clapping with a partner (later in the year) etc...adds variety
Public Enemy - like try favorite.... if you say favorite, does your chin really drop for the second syllable? I was just doing this activity in summer school.
HIL - I have even used activities like - I Sail My Ship and have the kids fill the ship with rhyming words - real or not
Djinn - Addie - we do this in shared reading- pick out a sound and elongate it and do a movement with the sound
Christina/K - thanks everyone for the ideas- I will send my PA screening test to the ECE mailring tomorrow
Addie k/mo - the assessment is a professionally made one and it is in the middle of the book between the activities and the materials to duplicate for the some of the activiites
Djinn - Addie - we do this in shared reading- pick out a sound and elongate it and do a movement with the sound
Kathleen - Does anyone have to send on to the next teacher a report about a child's ability with phonemic awareness?
Addie k/mo - we practice syllables with names, ala, month by month in k...but do you call them syllables to the kids??? i call them beats.
Kathleen - I think a combination of methods for detecting syllables is necessary
Sandy/K/MO - I don't know if I read it or someone suggested it.. but throwing bean bags through a hula hoop for syllables
Addie k/mo - yes, kat, what motivates and makes sense to one child may not to another...that is why it is important to do things different ways
Grace/IL - I think a lot of the problems children have with phonemic awareness, syllabication, spelling, etc., is that many of us have lost our own ability to articulate properly. We, myself included, slur over a lot of words. This kind of language is being used in modern novels. How are children ever supposed to learn what is correct?
Addie k/mo - true grace, my kids have the hardest time with short e and i because they say them the same
Joan / NE - Good point, Grace!!!!!!!!!! And the grammar!!!!! Our fifth grade teacher has the worst grammar............ Kids just don't know what's right..
joanne - Well, this has been great......get your MUSIC teacher to collaborate with you......imagine the teamwork you could accomplish!!!
Grace/IL - Marcia, it becomes a combination of hearing and seeing. If you hear 'suprise' but then see it in print and break it into syllables, it becomes "surprise." Teach children to say it properly for reading and spelling purposes. They can say anything they want when they get home.
Sandy/K/MO - Wow everyone.. this has gone by so fast and we have so many neat new ideas. Thank you all for sharing
Grace/IL - Thank you Sandy. This was fun.
Kathleen - Thank you to all who participated tonight!
