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BEV - Hello to everyone who has joined the meeting, I'm glad you are here. Let me begin by telling you that I am NOT an expert in Diane McGuiness's book, but I have used the method through the efforts of Terry Clinefelter out of Independence, MO.
Jennifer (Maryland) - Do you know how phonemic awareness is defined? Lots of people call many different things phonemic awareness
DBagby - Bev I've had 2 years training with Terry Clinefelter
Jennifer (Maryland) - Hi Bev...glad to hear more about Diane McGuiness
BEV - Then Bagby you know what I am talking about.
DBagby - Bev yep We really like it
DBagby - Phonemic awareness-the sounds
BEV - McGuniness says reading and writing are a lingustic base. They are not a natural thing that people can pick up like we as teachers have been led to believe when we have taught whole language
Tenni - Are rhyming words considered a part of phonemic awareness?
DBagby - Phonics putting the sounds with symbols
Jennifer - Phonemic awareness includes rhyming
BEV - Most people do not like the term phonics or even phonemic awareness because so many rules have been assciateed to it that all t rules even confuse the TEACHERS!!! Rules are not a linguistic approach.
Stanley - BEV, so McGuniness feels reading & writing are acquired as one would acquire another language?
Jennifer - Phonemic awareness, as I understand it is knowing that speech can be broken into sounds. Cat is /k/ /a/t/
Debbie Mc - Did anyone else have linguistics in college?
BEV - Rhyming is part of it but only after the linguistic part has been learned
Tenni - Would phonemic awareness activities be considered more Kindergarten level?
BEV - Most teachers don't take linguistics. Its usualy foreign to us. But in McGuiness's approach, it is the root of the program.
Debbie Mc - It really helps with teaching reading because like Bev said, the rules are way too many in the English language. There are too many exceptions to teach children rules.
Jennifer - There are several levels of phonemic awareness which include rhyming as an easier level then moves on up to segmentation and subsituting and manipulating sounds "If you take the /k off of cat what is left??? /at/
BEV - phonemic awareness is BEST learned at the kindergarten and even pre-K level
Jennifer - Bev can you clarify what linguistics are
Jennifer - I taught phonemic awareness in grade 1 because there were kids who needed it. Phonics mean nothing to children unless they understand that speech is made up of sounds
Denise - Bev where did you take Terry Clinefelter's training?
Denise - Jennifer that's true
BEV - I started out learning with a mirror and pictures. The reading and LD techers were in a workshop. We started with consonants because all languages have consonants and vowels. So we stated feeling the voiced and unvoiced sounds of consonants
BEV - Our district Northwest R-1, Jefferson Co, MO bought the program for three years.
Jennifer - At what point to the children get the symbols associated with the sounds
Jenny - I have a degree in Communication Disorders as well as elementary ed, so I had a lot of linguistic classes.
Debbie Mc - Linguistics is the study of language and its origins. You study the phonemic sounds, semantics, syntax, dialects. It helps very much with teaching reading. Uses lots of the same terms that Bev is using.
Denise - We teach the symbols right away with sounds in 1st
BEV - I felt like a speech teacher when we were through. Even the speech therapist who was with us said she was impressed. Terry borrowed a lot from Linda Mood-Bell
Debbie Mc - Also, children acquire language at a very early age, so that's one reason phonemic awareness is best taught at an early age.
Denise - Bev we used it last year but were frustrated that we had nothing for the kids to practice reading with
Debbie Mc - Bev can you give us some background so that we can use this with our children.
BEV - Yes, it is what McGuiness calls 1-1o-1 mapping. But she includes the linguistic position of the teeth, tongue, and lips to construct the sound.
Jennifer - There is a such a tight connection between what happpens in speech and the acquisition of early reading skills. We made a lot of progress with my reading recovery kids when I planned with a speech therapist. The speech therapist really helped with the aquisition of phonemic awareness
Jennifer - Bev I can see this is really multisensory
BEV - We used simple phonetic consist stories or wrote our own for the children to read. McGuiness NEVER says to hold only to phonics and nothing else. It is in her ReadingReflex book.
Jennifer - I know Project Read and have adapted many techniques for my remedial readers. I don't feel it has a strong enough comprehension componenet as written
Miller - Do you think that phonemic awareness should be taught after third grade?
Denise - Bev yes I ended up making books for our children to read too
Denise - We also used MCP practice readers
BEV - Yes, She goes ino great detail how it is multisensory. Reading and writing are not natural and not easy. That is why it should claim at least 2 to 3 hours of the elementary school day
Denise - Miller I believe if the children were taught it earlier they don't need it after 3rd
Jennifer - Hi Miller i have that same question since I teach remedial reading up to grade 5. I have plenty of kids with no phonemic awareness but have found no research as yet that says this training is effective for older kids
BEV - Yes, I taught PW to my 3rd and 4th graders. They responded very well.
Miller - What do you think is the best reading approach to use with second graders?
Jennifer - Bev...your 3rd and 4th graders...were they low ability or disabled?
Denise - Jennifer Terry Clinefelter used it in her personal clinic with remedial students
Stanley - Jennifer, thanks for the info. I'm personally strongest on comprehension, so it's nice to hear about the other components being better.
Jennifer - Miller, it depends on your kids
BEV - I'm not familiar with MCP practice readers.
Denise - Bev, Modern Curriculum Press
Miller - What type of intervention can be used if they were not taught in the earlier grades?
Jennifer - Miller there are alot of resources on phonemic awareness available Creative Teaching Press has a great one
Denise - Miller how bout just going back and having the students practice segmenting a word and writing?
Denise - Have the student decide how many sounds in the word; say each sound individually; then put symbols with the sounds (write it)
Jennifer - Marylou from Maine who is on the EC Gen list, recommended the site called SoundReading. It has alot of phonemic awareness info links and info on the Ithaca program that I am looking into
Jennifer - You can also check with your schools speech therapist...mine had tons of resources
Stanley - Jennifer, what is the name of the phonemic awareness resource available thru Creative Teaching Press?
Denise - Bev her newest workshop this summer reflected a LOT of improvements
Jennifer - it is called Phonemic Awareness...I've seen it at the Crystal Springs website and several other places
Jennifer - There is also a book by Marilyn Jager Adams about Phonemic Awareness that has a step by step curriculum. I can't remember the exact title but I bought it at Barnes and Noble
Jackie/1 - Hi! Sorry that I am late for this discussion on Phonemic Awareness. I am a parent of 4 year old twins and would like ideas on what kinds of things I should be working with them on in the area of phonemic awareness. I read lots of books and they love the cute shows on PBS and Disney. They just turned 4 and will go to Preschool in a couple of weeks.
bette/tx(headstart) - jennifer what is the website address?
Beverly - Great, maybe you can share with me. I* worked with 2 students this summer. I saw terrific progress in 6 weeks. There parents have reported to me just this last week that theyare reading words on the television and in the newspaper. I think that is progress. Because they would NEVER have tried to do that before PW
Denise - Jackie you are giving them a great start!!!
Jennifer - Bette which website...Crystal Springs is www.crystalsprings.com I believe
bette/tx(headstart) - i just sat thorough three hours of trainning yesterday on phonemic awareness in headstart
Miller - What kind of activities do you do on the first day of school?
Denise - Beverly that's a wonderful feeling istn't it!
bette/tx(headstart) - miller already had the first day of school on thursday
Denise - Jackie do you practice rhyming with them?
bette/tx(headstart) - jennifer what do you teach?
bette/tx(headstart) - denise yes rhyming , writing reading
Jackie/1 - Thanks Denise--I try!! Our Preschool teacher is new to teaching and was a former mother. Our preschool is very small and I would love to share ideas with her.
Jennifer - Jackie Dr Suess books are wonderful and have lots of word play
bette/tx(headstart) - told us in the work shop to read 3-4 stories a day
Denise - Bev I think her biggest improvement is the organization of her manual
Jennifer - Bette...I am areading specialist grades K-5 and a former grade 1 teacher
bette/tx(headstart) - jackie i got a worksheet on 100 ideas
Jackie/1 - Ooops! Our Preschool teacher was a former assistant and a mother in the preschool .
bette/tx(headstart) - 100 phonemic ideas for your classroom
Jennifer - Denise and Bev...is this a comprehensive reading program or is it just phonemic awareness...how much of each day to you spend on this
Beverly - I usually start with the mirror and the voiced and unvoiced consonants. try the t and d. They share the same position. So do the k and g/ the p/b. I only work with sounds. The I bring in the symbol. I use color squares to represent theletters and to match the sound to the letters. Then the match the letters to the sound
bette/tx(headstart) - jennifer so are you fimilar with the new guildliness for headstart?
Jennifer - Bette...unfortunately no. We don't have headstart in my county in Maryland
Denise - Jennifer it is a phonemic awareness program
bette/tx(headstart) - jennifer why is that...you don;have needy folks?
Terri - i just finished a week long workshop from CORE, had some fabulous phon. awar. activities and lessons
Beverly - It is a comprehensive program. It does not neglect comprehension, vocabulary development, nor writing. It doesn't have its own basal, but recommends a selection of phonetically consistent texts.
Jackie/1 - Terri--could you also share some of the ideas? Thanks!!
bette/tx(headstart) - have a very print rich room label things..etc..
Jennifer - Bette...yes we do but not in my particular building. There is a pre- k program in needier areas but they are not called head start
bette/tx(headstart) - jennifer pre-k is another federal program...my headstart is not part of public school but an agency
bette/tx(headstart) - jennifer in my own town it is part of the public school...
Jennifer - Welll.can't tell you why...just isn't in place here
Miller - Please give me suggestions on the first day of school activities?
Beverly - Do they use Reading Reflex in the headstart program?
bette/tx(headstart) - jennifer wonderig if an agency handles your headstart then
Denise - Miller I have a story called First Grade Jitters that I read
bette/tx(headstart) - beverly no use creative curriuculum
bette/tx(headstart) - miller let the students get use to the room and go over the rules first off
Jackie/1 - I also teach First Grade and in our state there have not been any inservices on Phonemic Awareness that I have seen. I live in NEbraska.
Denise - miller we talk first of all about what we were nervous about then read it
bette/tx(headstart) - miller let them know were the bathroom and drinking fountain is
Jackie/1 - Denise--I love that book and have a hardback edition . I have been a favorite for 15 years.....
Terri - one of the games was like duck duck goose. The teacher says a cvc word by each sound ( /k/ /a/ /t/) the student goes around and instead of duck will say /k/ and the next for the next person, he says /a/ he can finsh the word sounds and then say the word instead of goose or repeat the 3 sounds again as he walks around the circle.
Jennifer - Miller...here is a phnemic awareness activity for the first day. Have your kids say each others names in turtle talk...very slowly and then count sounds in the names by holding a finger up for each sound. Don't count letters, just sounds. THey will need alot of practice at first but will get good at it
Denise - Jackie I should hunt up a hardback copy. I've used it so much!
bette/tx(headstart) - new guidlines for headstart to start phonemic awareness and have to learn 10 letters by the end of the yr
bette/tx(headstart) - that is learn at least 10letters by the end of the yr
Beverly - For really useful techniquesto use right away with young children, go to the Reading Reflex. I bought the book at Borders for $16
bette/tx(headstart) - jennifer this is new and new to some old headstart teachers but i have taught pre-k for yrs..firstyr for headstart thou
Terri - another one was a crazy salad. They sorted pictures of things to put in a salad (even spiders if they wanted) by put them in either a 2 dot bowl for 2 syllables or 3 dots for 3 syllables
Jennifer - I used to spend 15 minutes a day on phonemic awarenss activities for grade 1 each day. I made a sock puppet called Mr. Sock it who lead the games. It went really well. Kids would play the games with their own socks at home. How much time in each day do you all feel is good for phonemic awareness training
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bette/tx(headstart) - jennifer that sounds great my co teacher has been teaching for 15 yr headstart adn she is set in her ways
Jackie/1 - Jennifer--Do or did you have a resource for the daily activities you did??
Terri - our ec specialist for the district suggested 15 minutes a day for phon. aw. and another 10-15 for phonics
bette/tx(headstart) - jennifer when an openning comes up i get my own room
bette/tx(headstart) - terri that was what they told us in our workshop and to have print rich room
bette/tx(headstart) - terri does that include reading a story
Terri - looking back, I know my room last year could have been more rich in print...that's my goal this year
bette/tx(headstart) - we in headstart are to read about 3-4 daily
Jennifer - I started with some stuff from our district then grabbed whatever I could find. I made index cards for each type of activity, sound recognition, rhyming,sound substitution,segmentation and blending. Then when I found the Creative Teaching Press I added those to my cards
bette/tx(headstart) - terri this handout i will put on ece board has great ideas for a print in the room
Terri - for the phonics lesson it can. I use nursery rhymes mostly for phon. aw and they don't take much time to read.
Beverly - Another,is the sounds around us. It's like I Spy. Teacher says I see things that start with the sound of ___ then the children find them. Teacher writes the word on the board. Go one step further. Have them feel that sound in their mouths. Where is their tongue?, teeth? lips? Where did the air come from? See how it works, Get them to think about the sound.
bette/tx(headstart) - terri the leader at the workshop says classrooms do not have enough nursery rhymes in the ece class room
bette/tx(headstart) - he wants to see more written and put up for the students to repeat
Jennifer - I found that it was a great way organize the activities from numerous sources and so easy to just pull one activity out when I had a few extra minutes
Terri - I did a unit of 10 nursery rhymes last year and plan to increase that to a rhyme/nursery rhyme each week this year.
Beverly - I agree with the nursery rhymes. I used the nursery rhymes with my 1st and 2nd gr. Then I had them say it again in Pig Latin to pick up the vowel sounds. I also had them say the words backwards for the same reason. They loved it.
bette/tx(headstart) - terri do you have a copy of your units?
bette/tx(headstart) - i think that some of these headstart students probably have not heard of most of the nursey rhymes
Terri - one idea for nursery rhymes: I had a teacher give me 3 of her n. rhymes that were written on a shape to represent the story: a bucket for jack and jill, a sheep, and a clock. I thought that was so creative. I also have every rhyme on indiv. poem cards as well as on chart paper on the walls
bette/tx(headstart) - 18 ---4yr never been to school before
bette/tx(headstart) - terri chart paper is great
Terri - yes, I have the unit book- but at my school which I can't get to til next week.
Terri - Most of the ideas in the unit are things to do/make. Most of them include a mini book version of the poem and some sort of art project
Jennifer - You all can rhyme students names...use finger plays...once a kid know a ryhme well have them change the first sound of everyword like....sack and sill sent sup the sill to setch a sail of sater The kids love it
Jackie/1 - Good! My girls are gaining independance but still need me for some things....
