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Mary/PA - Welcome to this evening's Reading Recovery Meeting here at Teachers.Net.
Mary/PA - Hi Dave
Mary/PA - Whatcha doin here?
Mary/PA - Hi Gigi!
Dave MontrealCan - Good evening Mary may I observe tonight if there are any teachers who have a sight impaired or blind child I would love to be able to help
Gigi/MO - Hey, Mary and Dave!!
Mary/PA - Sure Dave, you can observe.
Mary/PA - I've had hearing impaired children in Reading Recovery, but never a sight impaired child.
Gigi/MO - Dave--We have a 3 year old blind boy that goes to our Early childhood program at our school!! I don't work with him but he walks by my room at times!!
Mary/PA - Gigi, have you ever heard of a sight impaired child in RR?
Dave MontrealCan - Gigi do you think the teacher working with him might need some help if so I can give you my teachers net email address and info on how to get in touch with me
Mary/PA - It's something to think about
Mary/PA - Gigi, how is Round two going so far?
Gigi/MO - Mary--No, I've never heard of a hearing OR sight impaired child in RR!! I think around here they are served in a special education program!!
Mary/PA - My hearing impaired child didn't have her hearing aids for most of her program, she lost them in a snow drift or something like that and the parents didn't want to get her new ones until the insurance co. would pay for them.
Mary/PA - It wasn't an easy job.
Dave MontrealCan - Mary wow how did you handle that were you still able to teach her effectively
Mary/PA - But I guess none are easy, that's why they need us
Gigi/MO - Dave--I think teachers can always use ideas and help from other teachers!! I know that they have gotten help from the MO School for the Blind and a lady has come to visit several times to give them ideas!!
Mary/PA - Dave, I taught her a lot, but I don't think I got her up to grade level, I really can't remember for sure.
Dave MontrealCan - Gigi that must be the local itinerant teacher
Mary/PA - Hi Karen
Gigi/MO - Hey, Karen!! Is that really YOU?
Karen/MO - Hi. I attend continuing contact class with Gigi. This is my first time ever being in a chat room.
Mary/PA - How far into round two is everyone? I'm in week 1 - 4 with my kids.
Dave MontrealCan - Hello Karennice to meet you
Mary/PA - Well I'm glad you came, Karen. It looks like it's going to be a small group tonight
Karen/MO - I read your archives all the time.
Mary/PA - Karen, that's nice to hear
Gigi/MO - Mary--I'm in week 4-5 with 2 RR kids and I'm starting roaming with 2 more TOMORROW!!
Gigi/MO - Hey, Karen!! Glad you made it!!
Mary/PA - What do you do for RAK with second rounders?
Karen/MO - I am in weeks 2-5 also. Three of my first four all discontinued. Now time to start with the next round.
Mary/PA - Karen, you did good
Mary/PA - Of my original 7 that I had at the beginning of the year, 2 moved, one of which would have discontinued, 4 discontinued and one didn't, but she was very close.
Gigi/MO - Karen--GOOD JOB!! 3 of my first 4 discontinued--1 barely but our TL said to consider him discontinued!!
Mary/PA - What is the average level of your first graders?
Gigi/MO - Mary--Good Job to you TOO!! Don't know if I could work with 7 RR students!!
Mary/PA - I'm working with 8 this round!
Karen/MO - I like to do lots with the child's name...looking left to right, chunks, pushing the letters to say all the sounds in a word. Our average is level 8-10 depending on the year and the group.
Mary/PA - At what level do you discontinue?
Gigi/MO - Our average is 11-12 on Rigby!! That is what our classroom teachers use to check progress with running records!!
Karen/MO - I discontinued at level 12.
Dave MontrealCan - when I was a student in the 1970's the teacher I had to help me in my reading and pronunciation had a sound machine that had flash cards with audio option if you ran the card through the machine she had recorded vowel sounds and they were also visible on the card as well
Gigi/MO - Our TL said Level 10 in Dec., 12 in Jan. and early Feb.--right, Karen!!
Karen/MO - I am worried that I won't get this next round to 16 or 18. You are right Gigi.
Gigi/MO - I think 2-3 of my new ones can make it!! What did your second round come in on??
Gigi/MO - Mary--What levels do you discontinue students??
Karen/MO - My second round came in on 4, 5,,6, and 8. If I remember correctly.
Mary/PA - Most of my second rounders came in at 4 and 5
Gigi/MO - My 2 earlier ones came in at 5-6 and the new ones are coming in at 8-9!!
Mary/PA - This first round we discon. at 10 - 12, the reg. class ave. was 6- 8
Mary/PA - We'll see what happens this round.
Gigi/MO - Even though the class average was 6-8, YOU had to go to 10-12?? I thought you get them to the average of THEIR class!?!
Mary/PA - I missed what was said about what you do during RAK with your second rounders.
Gigi/MO - Karen had good ideas about roaming!!
Mary/PA - I have them read as many books as possible and do as much writing as we have time for. I don't like to do things that take the kids away from real reading and writing, know what I mean?
Gigi/MO - I try to read a few fam. books, introduce 1-2 new books and read the books with them, and then write in a book!!
Mary/PA - Our TL said that until kids get to level 10 you can't tell if all the strategies are in place. Level 10 requires as much Visual searching as S and M.
Karen/MO - I do things with their names just to use something they are comfortable with. We read a lot and write. I do lots of modeling in reading, writing and working with words.
Gigi/MO - Our TL that trained us wanted us to write a book every day but I don't get that much writing in!! I don't usually do much with mag. letters but I think Karen does!!
Karen/MO - I agree about the level 10.
Mary/PA - It seems that the second rounders are so happy to have books they CAN read, they think it's so much fun. They've been struggling for so long, they are happy to find out that they aren't as bad off as they were thinking they were.
Gigi/MO - We have had our second rounders in EL so I usually have them read books from there also!!
Karen/MO - I decided that using known words is not teaching them anything new. Just modeling what will need to be learned. I love the look on a child's face when they can't believe they have read a book all by themselves.
Mary/PA - Is it in the GB or Changes where Marie says that during RAK we should stick with whole texts and not work with letters and words in isolation?
Mary/PA - I keep thinking about that and feel guilty when I let the kids use ML to make the words they know.
Gigi/MO - Karen--What is the book that we are going through in Cont. Contact? Is it Marie's latest book?
Karen/MO - That is true but it works for me. They have fun trying to play with the words they know, plus they get to get up and move and some of my children can't sit still for 30 minutes. It breaks up the stationary activities.
Mary/PA - Karen, I know what you mean...my lowest one this time....came in at level B was so happy that he could read books, he thanked me over and over again and said it was so much fun coming to see me! He said he had never read a book before. He moved in just before Christmas.
Karen/MO - It is Marie's latest book. Isn't that Changes?
Mary/PA - Changes Over Time
Gigi/MO - I think it is Changes Over Time!! Anyway, in it, she says things about sounds and chunks!!
Mary/PA - It's a good book, it cleared up some of my confusions
Mary/PA - She says a lot about writing!
Gigi/MO - It's pretty deep for ME but it has some GOOD things in it!
Mary/PA - What about sounds and chucks? We over do it? Should just do it as needed?
Mary/PA - I know that in Changes she says that in the CUS we should only rarely cut a word apart. We should cut whole words, we want the child to learn how whole words look.
Mary/PA - Those aren't her exact words
Gigi/MO - Karen and I have talked about it (sounds and chunks) before!! We think that when we first started RR that we weren't supposed to work/focus on sounds/chunks!!
Karen/MO - Our first teacher leader made me feel as if we should never have the child use sounds in trying to figure out a word. Oh, yes meaning is what is the driving force but the students have to know how to unlock a word using visual as well as meaning.
Dave MontrealCan - Gigi may I give you my Teachers Net email address in case you want to pass it on to your colleague who teaches the sight impaired child?
Gigi/MO - Children HAVE to have a sense of sound symbol relationships to start an unknown word!!
Mary/PA - Karen, I think that the TL's back then had some confusions of their own. I think we are all sorting it out now. We know that all 3 cueing sources are important and need to be used in balance.
Gigi/MO - Dave--Yes, that would be fine!!
Dave MontrealCan - Gigi it is melanson@teachers.net if you drop me an email I can give you info on the resource manual I have written for the classroom teacher
Karen/MO - I feel like my current TL really understands and has helped me to understand. That or I am finally getting things figured out myself.
Mary/PA - Well Gigi and Karen, thanks for coming tonight. Karen I hope you come back next time. I also hope we have more RRT's here next time as well.
Mary/PA - Karen, it's probably some of both.
Dave MontrealCan - Mary thank you for letting me observe this evening
Karen/MO - Have a good day tomorrow everyone.
Gigi/MO - OK-Dave-Thanks! I'll relay your email--not sure if she'll contact you but you never know!!
Mary/PA - Over the week end I was reading something that I had read many times before, but last night it really made sense to me, I guess it take time....That's one of my Changes Over Time
Gigi/MO - Nice talking to everyone! See you next time!!
Mary/PA - Dave, sorry that we don't have more clients for you.
Mary/PA - Gigi, see you next time.
Dave MontrealCan - Mary one of the challenges is for a sight impaired child sometimes to read aloud to the class sometimes they are very conscious of it and not comfortable as they read slower
Mary/PA - Good night.
Gigi/MO - I better go for now!! I have 1 and 1/2 OS to write and other things to do for tomorrow!!
Mary/PA - Dave, in Reading Recovery, there is no class, it's just the child and the teacher.
Gigi/MO - Good Night to all of you TOO!!
Mary/PA - I was writing an OS before coming here tonight
