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Marcia/1-2/Ca - I am ready to talk software...>My favorite...Kid Pix..
Robyn/1st/VA - I have to agree Marcia, KidPix is great!
Marcia/1-2/Ca - my class is making a slide show about farm animals... Each student will get to have one slide they have written about a farm animal.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - My second best choice is Kidspiration..
Marcia/1-2/Ca - You can get a free demo (that's complete) by calling an 1 800 #
Darcy/PK - I like, from the Arthur software series, DW the picky eater. It has a dollhouse whether kids can place the furniture anywhere they want.
Cervantes - I have heard that kidpix is great.
Robyn/1st/VA - the demo is Kidspiration??
Marcia/1-2/Ca - 1 800 877 4292
Robyn/1st/VA - #is for Kidspiration?
Robyn/1st/VA - thanks for the number Marcia!
garf/sped/ga - I like Kidspiration, I gave the demo to my sped director
Robyn/1st/VA - My own kids use Kidspiration at their school! I have Inspirtation on my school issued laptop
garf/sped/ga - Intellitools has some GREAT stuff now for math and reading
Robyn/1st/VA - but I'd love to see the kids version too!
garf/sped/ga - I like Inpsiration, you can use that with Co:Writer
Robyn/1st/VA - Co Writer?
garf/sped/ga - Co:Writer is a program that helps children who have writing difficulties. it predicts the words so that t hey do not have to type as many keys good for kids with physical and learning disabilities.
Robyn/1st/VA - thanks for the number! I'll call for the demo tomorrow! Hope baby is ok! They ahve chat radar don't they!
Robyn/1st/VA - OIC....my oldest son has a birth defect that makes writing/typing hard...that is why it rang a bell....his adaptive equip. specialist mentioned it...sorry!
garf/sped/ga - I love Cowriter.
garf/sped/ga - Almost all my students use it.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - na...just told mom...your turn..I'm busy..
Robyn/1st/VA - LOL...that is the good thing about grandbabies and neices/nephews!
Marcia/1-2/Ca - who is the maker..mayb they have a demo..hehe
garf/sped/ga - Co:Writer does not have a demo that I know of. Don Johnston the maker does not provide demos.
Robyn/1st/VA - I too love to see demos! They make the decision to invest much easier!!!
Marcia/1-2/Ca - rats...I do like to see what it's like..if the kids can do it by themselves or if I have to sit right there.
Robyn/1st/VA - my son is going to use an AlphaSmart in the fall...I am NOT too happy about that choice...but for now I'll be quiet about it....
garf/sped/ga - I like Alphasmarts, they are so portable, can be used on a mixed platorm and can get the Cowriter applet.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - We have a computer lab at school, but no techie...It's hard when 20 kids yell "teacher" I'd rather work in my room, with two at a time..I just got a second computer for my room.
garf/sped/ga - They have something similar called a PC 6, but not as good in my opinion.
Robyn/1st/VA - I've not seen any "modern" alphasmarts....do they have a larger screen than they used to???
garf/sped/ga - Alphasmart 3000 is relatively new.
garf/sped/ga - same size screen.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - I just saw my first one...our school has some and I didn't know it...
Robyn/1st/VA - I'm as close to a techie that my school has...and I'm still in my own first grade classroom...so I can't be there to help each time...
Robyn/1st/VA - I'm concerned that the alphasmart screen isn't large enough for him to see enough of his work...ie, only 1 or 2 lines....
Robyn/1st/VA - the only computer I have in my room is my old PC that I took in.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - well I am a pc person and the lab is full of MAC's....I have no idea what to do..most pc techinques don't work for MAC's
garf/sped/ga - that is a concern of mine for one of my students. That is why I recommend that visual perceptual skills be evaluated prior to that selection.
Robyn/1st/VA - my concerns are based on the fact that he has used a pc for the last 3 years...and can see all of his work for editing....and now to only go to 1 to 2 lines???
garf/sped/ga - alphasmart can also be used as a alternative keyboard in additon to a portable keyboArd.
garf/sped/ga - why are you switching?
Robyn/1st/VA - NOT my choice......
Addie/mo - what is an alphasmart
Robyn/1st/VA - he is going to 4th grade...school can not / won't provide a laptop...
garf/sped/ga - I would push for a laptop or keep him, on a desktop.
garf/sped/ga - then keep him on a classroom compputer.
Robyn/1st/VA - They actually have NOT finished his adaptive equipment assessment...
Robyn/1st/VA - this recommendation is still pending...
garf/sped/ga - I would be concerned with a fourth grader being put on a alphasmart if there were concerns about the screen not being big enough.
garf/sped/ga - if they have not finished their AT evaluation, then they should NOT be recommending anything, they should be trying things.
Robyn/1st/VA - I told the school that we would NOT sign for anything until I see the actual equipment.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - alphasmart is a mini keyboard with a small screen... almost like a toy computer
Addie/mo - is it lots cheaper than a regular computer or a laptop?
Robyn/1st/VA - they keep pushing the portability issue...since laptop isn't an issue they claim alphasmart is...
garf/sped/ga - I would try some things then go from there.
garf/sped/ga - oic.
garf/sped/ga - I would get a visual perceptual evalatuion done that amy be the key.
Robyn/1st/VA - thank you for your prof. opinion! you validate my "momma" & "teacher" reaction!
garf/sped/ga - I also feel that kids should have access to a reg comptuer in the classroom with adaptive equipment. It is part of the sped law.
Robyn/1st/VA - his visual perception isn't an issue...the screen thing is my gut reaction to knowing how tiny the screens are..and knowing my kid!
garf/sped/ga - I would still have an OT look at it.
garf/sped/ga - An OT should be involved in the evaluation process, if writing and typing are a problem.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - how big is the dist.? are they claiming they don't have access to one?
Robyn/1st/VA - His OT and I have a meeting scheduled for the beginning of next year...
garf/sped/ga - I would address those concerns.
Robyn/1st/VA - we live in a rural area. $$$$$$ is the issue! BUT...don't worry...I've fought them before!
Robyn/1st/VA - and I've won!
Robyn/1st/VA - and I will win again! LOL
Marcia/1-2/Ca - go for it.... he is your son..
Robyn/1st/VA - I am *THAT* mom! but I am also *THAT* teacher!
Addie/mo - it sounds like the sped law is on your side
Marcia/1-2/Ca - and you have the experience teaching to know what is best for students
Robyn/1st/VA - ohhhhhh yeah! and my 14 years of teaching experience are on my side!!!
garf/sped/ga - IDEA provides for assistive technology, it must be addressed and concerned in each and every IEP
garf/sped/ga - considered, not concerned.
Robyn/1st/VA - my ds has Trismuspsuedocamptodactyly Syndrome..very rare! His cognitive abilities are above average...his hands are below...
Robyn/1st/VA - we fought for 2 years to get a 504...
Robyn/1st/VA - ok.ok.ok..thank you for your words of wisdom...lets talk software!!!
Cher/2/CA - Hi all....am looking for software ideas....getting internet access this coming year...
garf/sped/ga - sounds like he n eeds a portable keyboard. If keyboarding skills are that slow, I would push for word prediction and if that does not work voice dictation is a possibility, I have a student who is being evaluted for that.
Cher/2/CA - I need some words of wisdom..from people in the know...
garf/sped/ga - what type of software?
Marcia/1-2/Ca - does anyone use technology as a teaching tool. I just found this great site with powepoint shows to use for teaching. http://208.183.128.3/ce/ppt.htm
Addie/mo - at our school the kids use jumpstart for their grade level and we have several magic school buses and carmen sandiego.
Cher/2/CA - keyboarding..writing....Sat 9 testing simulations....science....just about everything!
garf/sped/ga - Yes, I use technology to supplement instruction and also as a way to produce work for kids who have writing/processing difficulties.
garf/sped/ga - Keyboarding, I would recommend Mavis Beacon or Kid Keys for the younger ones,
garf/sped/ga - Writing, I like Write: Out Loud.
Addie/mo - in our fourth grades we have two eMINTS classrooms which are technology based. they use productivity software such as word, powerpoint, microsoft publisher, etc. they use the internet also.
Robyn/1st/VA - we love Jumpstart at my school (and home!)
Toni/K/KY - Does anyone use Kidspiration? Our district may be getting it this year.
Cher/2/CA - Has anyone used Kidspirations????
garf/sped/ga - I also like Student Writing Center
Robyn/1st/VA - LOL......Marcia..the number is??
Cher/2/CA - Toni..hi! I heard an echo there! LOL
garf/sped/ga - Yes, I like that, gave the demo to sped director
Addie/mo - if you are interested in reading more about eMINTS here is their website: http://emints.more.net
Marcia/1-2/Ca - our school has a series of software by Sunburst....I have used the one....Word Parts..the kids like it and it is very kid friendly..Teachers don't have to stand there all day.
Robyn/1st/VA - Marcia offered the phone number for the Kidspiration demo a little earlier!
Addie/mo - our school is also big into accelerated reader
Toni/K/KY - This is my first time here. I thought I did something wrong!
Marcia/1-2/Ca - Kidspirations...again...1 899 877 4292
garf/sped/ga - Accelerated Reader is ok
Cher/2/CA - addie..would it be too hard for 2nds????
Marcia/1-2/Ca - tell me about eMints
Toni/K/KY - I downloaded the free trial, but I don't know how I'll use it with K. Thanks Marcia. Sorry I was late - ha!
Robyn/1st/VA - we have an ancient version of AR...and the kids love it for some reason...
Addie/mo - the eMINTS site has lots of internet resources. some of them would be appropriate for second grade.
Robyn/1st/VA - I was not successful using Inspiration with my 1st kids...hope that Kidspiration will be better!
garf/sped/ga - I like Intellitools Math, Number Concepts 1 and 2,
garf/sped/ga - can be used to supplement several math curriculums
Cher/2/CA - Robyn..I had a 2 hour introd. to Inspirations...way to hard for my 2nds...that's why i wanted to know about Kids.....I wonder what the cost is???
Robyn/1st/VA - what gradelevel for those garf?
garf/sped/ga - Number Concepts is K-2, counting, greater than less than, and add/subtract
Addie/mo - eMINTS is a state program, kind of like a grant. the grant pays for some equipment and the school pays for some. t he classrooms have one computer for every two students, a teacher workstation, a teacher laptop, a scanner, a digital camera, a SMARTBoard and a video data projector.
Robyn/1st/VA - Cher> my sons use Kidspiration at their school...my 6yo is a pro...can't wait to see the demo!
Cher/2/CA - I need to find some standards based software so that kids get the practice they so desparately need!
garf/sped/ga - Number Concepts 2 is for 3-5, place value, etc.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - oh yes kidspiration is exactly for k-3..it's all pictures and text..and it reads the tex outloud.
Robyn/1st/VA - holey moley Addie....Wow!!!
Cher/2/CA - Robyn..wow! That's great to know!!!!
Marcia/1-2/Ca - $69 I think...but the demo is great..
Addie/mo - the teachers received over 100 hours of inservice training in how to integrate technology into teaching and use it as a "tool" to learn other things.
Addie/mo - the classrooms are awesome.
garf/sped/ga - the manual shows how teachers can use these programs with various math programs.
Cher/2/CA - Addie..is it just for certain states...areas.. for training etc??
Addie/mo - the grants were on ly available for use in either third or fourth grades.
Cher/2/CA - Marcia..not a bad price!
Robyn/1st/VA - Our math textbooks (this was the first year..and I can't for the life of me remember the name..sorry!) has its own software...
Addie/mo - they really are the classrooms of the future.
Cher/2/CA - Addie
Robyn/1st/VA - Addie> the grant sounds like a dream...but only for 3rd or 4th.
Addie/mo - this is a missouri state program. it is only available in missouri, although other states may have similar technology inititaves
garf/sped/ga - Intellitools also has Math Pad, and Math Pad Plus, good for kids who have writing problems and cant write out the math scratch work, also good for kids with visual percptual issues
Cher/2/CA - Well, Robyn...we just have to be inventive.....
Robyn/1st/VA - I just got rid of my only school issued computer from my room...the Apple IIe just had too much dust on it! LOL
Toni/K/KY - What about KIDWARE?
Robyn/1st/VA - I have an old PC that I take to school for my kiddos...during the summer I drag it home and network it with my "good one" ..my boys love it!
Addie/mo - it was only available for use in third or fourth, but these are supposed to be model classrooms and the district is supposed to expand this program to include other classes. our goal for now is to expand all across fourth grade and then move to another grade. that way every student will be touched by this technology based teaching. we have 5 or 6 of each grade level in our building
Cher/2/CA - Robyn..that's us 2E pitched those...got 3 more old ones... and a year old IMAC
Robyn/1st/VA - oic...and I guess they do have to begin somewhere, Addie! LOL
Addie/mo - i dont know that the state will expand down below third because they say that there is not research to support this technology based learning in the lower grades.
Cher/2/CA - so....I still need science...SAT9 preparatory stuff and a great writing program....
Marcia/1-2/Ca - Robyn...how do you network them. I'd love to do that to share data
garf/sped/ga - check out classroom direct.com
garf/sped/ga - some excellent computer software stuff.
Cher/2/CA - garf...is that for software???
garf/sped/ga - student writing center, is really good.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - Toni, What's kidware?
Addie/mo - although the state dept supports inquiry based learning at all grade levels, they believe that the early grades should be more hands on and less "virtual"
garf/sped/ga - YES
Cher/2/CA - LOL you answered my question..thanks!
Robyn/1st/VA - Marcia> Ummmm...my NASA computer geek dh does the networking!
garf/sped/ga - Riverdeep has some good stuff, too.
garf/sped/ga - Mighty Math is good
Cher/2/CA - garf..easy for 2nds?? SWC??
Marcia/1-2/Ca - ask him for me..heheh
Robyn/1st/VA - I can network MACs tho!
garf/sped/ga - yes, because it has good graphics.
Riley - *still only have Apple 2E in classroom*...feeling sad.....
Cher/2/CA - Robyn..how???
Toni/K/KY - I'm not sure! That's why I asked. LOL I know our preschool uses it. I think it's networked.
garf/sped/ga - Easy Book is good too.
Addie/mo - i would like the opportunity to show them what the little guys can do with technology and how it can be used to benefit the young kids learning. i dont think everything in the early grades should be technology based, but technology can help facilitate learning in the early grades.
Cher/2/CA - Riley.....I know how you feel!
Robyn/1st/VA - I agree....hands on is the best for lower grades...but they also need to learn via puter too....IMHO
Cher/2/CA - garf..what is Easy Book for???? making books??
garf/sped/ga - Attainment has some good stuff, as well. They have a money program called Dollars and Cents.
Riley - I have used Mighty Math and shared it with 1st grade...good Ven Diagram stuff.
Robyn/1st/VA - ethernet hub
Marcia/1-2/Ca - and sometimes it's an excellent motivator for that student who doesn't want/can
Addie/mo - riley is there any money available in your state for technology? maybe the e-rate program...i think that is national
Marcia/1-2/Ca - can't work
garf/sped/ga - Intellimathics also has good Venn Diagram stuff.
garf/sped/ga - yes, Easy book makes a book
Marcia/1-2/Ca - Oh moneytown is great for money skills and it's flexible...it could span 1-MS
Cher/2/CA - Riley...some of the 2E software for telling time etc. was good!!!!!!
garf/sped/ga - Kid Works too is good for K or 1
Toni/K/KY - I agree. I don't think anybody realizes especially what K's can do! I think our tech person thinks I'm only teaching letters and numbers. He doesn't realize that some of these are reading at 3/4 grade level!
Riley - With my young Fives, I try to find programs to just get them used to using mouse etc. - they love Franklin and Play school Puzzles
garf/sped/ga - I like Money Town.
garf/sped/ga - Mighty Math Zoo Zillions does Math.
garf/sped/ga - Money, I mean and the teacher can select concepts.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - one day my 13 yo daughter sat down for an hour with moneytown
garf/sped/ga - I also love Simon Sounds It Out, too.
Robyn/1st/VA - Who makes Easy Book?
Cher/2/CA - any "telling time" software???
Toni/K/KY - I love the Sesame Street games. This year I used Might Math.
garf/sped/ga - and Simon Spells.
garf/sped/ga - yes, Time Scales by Attainment is good.
Riley - Addie...supposedly we are all receiving our Laptop or PC from our governor...Was originally going to be here in Feb....still have not seen it.
Cher/2/CA - garf..simon spells...sounds interesting!
garf/sped/ga - I am not sure who does Easy Book.
Robyn/1st/VA - I can't read , type AND write down all these titles! LOL
Toni/K/KY - Simon Sounds It Out sounds cool. Who makes it?
Riley - We also use alot of Jump Start and Reader Rabbit.
Cher/2/CA - garf..thanks! I jotted it down!
garf/sped/ga - Yes, Simon Spells helps with Spelling, put out by Don Johnston, excellent program.
Addie/mo - this will be archived in a few days, you dont have to write it all down
Cher/2/CA - Robyn..me either! LOL
Toni/K/KY - Are Simon Sounds It Out and Spells the same thing?
Addie/mo - interesting, riley. from the governor
Robyn/1st/VA - ohhhhhh but I do.....I'll never be able to get in the archives! LOL
Marcia/1-2/Ca - another idea for the student who finishes early (and is usually reading better than others) is those interactive story books...they read the text or the student can read alone.
Robyn/1st/VA - Simon Sounds it Out?? more info?
Cher/2/CA - Robyn...that's me....can't seem to search well for stuff yet!
garf/sped/ga - no, Simon Sounds it out helps with sounding out words, by introducing blends, phonograms, etc. Student has to first sound out beginning, middle ending sounds of words, spell it, then identify it, does that in 30 plus lessons.
garf/sped/ga - Simon Sounds It out put out by Don Johnston.
garf/sped/ga - Don Johnton.com.
Robyn/1st/VA - oh oh oh.....who publishes the Simon Sounds it out one??
Cher/2/CA - Marcia..what readability on interactives???? How high...that would be good for the gifted kids???
Addie/mo - to get to the archives, simply click on the word "archive" in the box to the left. then you look through it by date or title of discussion
garf/sped/ga - I used Simon Sounds it out with a regular 1st grade teacher who used it with her students.
Robyn/1st/VA - sorry...... typing slowly!
garf/sped/ga - Don Johnston puts out Simon Sounds and Simon Spells
Marcia/1-2/Ca - oh yes..my kids (2nds) can read most of them...try arthur...I get mine on ebay for pennies.
Toni/K/KY - What level is Time -- well, whatever the telling time software was...I'm slow too.
garf/sped/ga - I also like Living Books.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - there are other storybooks...with activities inside to do after reading.
Toni/K/KY - I have Green Eggs and Ham. They loved it!
Cher/2/CA - marciathanks..guess where I am going right after this
garf/sped/ga - I am not sure about Time Scales, just check it out. Might be available from Don Johnston site.
Robyn/1st/VA - I love Living Books too!
Toni/K/KY - Elmo's Reading has an interactive storybook included with it.
Robyn/1st/VA - thanks Addie! I might be able to actually DO that!
Riley - Toni...my kids like that, too.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - My kids like the mercer mayer, arthur and more..ebay..you can get them under $10
garf/sped/ga - I also like Start to Finish books by Don Johnston, it is more for upper elem and middle, high school, for kids with reading problems. It highlights the texts . Has many classical pieces of literature.
Robyn/1st/VA - oooooooohhhhhh duh! thanks! LOL
Cher/2/CA - Marcia..any Junie B. Jones???
Marcia/1-2/Ca - type in your favortie character....I love Eric Carle...haven't found any of his yet.
Toni/K/KY - Have you all ever ordered software from Half.com? I've gotten a couple of books there this summer for pretty cheap. .75 - 1.95.
garf/sped/ga - Intellitools has a great new reading program too. Called Balanced reading, looks really good for 1st grade. I am trying to get it for one of my students for next year.
Riley - For my own kids at home, they continue to love Jump Start...unfortunately, I bought them a "backyard soccer" CD that they really love!
Cher/2/CA - toni..no...but will investigate..do they sell software as well??
Robyn/1st/VA - Riley> we have several of the Backyard games at home....my boys adore them!
Toni k/ky - I lost my page somehow...I'm back
Marcia/1-2/Ca - I wouldn't doubt it... we are reading the field day one ..Captain Field Day..what a hoot,
Riley - Thanks, robyn...I feel better knowing I
Riley - I'm not alone!!!!
Cher/2/CA - Riley..does the backyard games include reading skills???
Toni k/ky - I'm not sure about software. I do know books and cds. And digital cameras. I've been meaning to check, but I've been addicted to this site! LOL
Riley - nope, Cher...just plain fun!
Marcia/1-2/Ca - the thing about half.com is the shipping..it kills you..
Cher/2/CA - Riley..okay...thanks!!!! Sometimes we need that too...for rainy days and recesses in!!!!!!
Cher/2/CA - How about stuff for girls!!!!!!!!!!??????????? I find they aren't as interested as the boys....
Robyn/1st/VA - have you used MySimon.com for comparing prices?
Toni k/ky - Exactly! I don't mind paying if I can get a good book for under $2.
Riley - Yep, Cher...my kids kind of have to earn that one!!!...or more than 2 rainy days in a row..then I just don't care@!!!!
Cher/2/CA - computer software for girls?? my girls would love a JunieB. Jones stuff..Capt. Underpants..etc.....
Robyn/1st/VA - never mind! LOL
Marcia/1-2/Ca - I got a set of American Girls Software at a local computer show..that's where I got introduced to all these goodies.
garf/sped/ga - What about Freddie Fish.
Toni k/ky - Half.com has comparisons over to the side. They search other sites for the same item and show prices they offer.
Cher/2/CA - marcia...easy enough for 1/2 grades?? for readability???
Cher/2/CA - any good strategy games like chess for the youngins????
Marcia/1-2/Ca - no the American Girls is one to create a movie/play...with paper dolls etc...better for 2
Marcia/1-2/Ca - 2 plus
Toni - I've ordered KidPix because I saw it mention a lot on here.
Cher/2/CA - Toni...hi..step right in!!!! Any ideas ???
Toni - Whoa! I think I need Simon Spells
Cher/2/CA - Toni cute
Robyn/1st/VA - we couldn't get along without our KidPix! Very good selection, Toni...IMHO!
Toni - I've done stepped in three times. My computer keeps kicking me out of this room!
Marcia/1-2/Ca - oh the new kid pix is even more awesome...I want to get it soon..
Robyn/1st/VA - garf...my sons enjoy freddie fish.
Cher/2/CA - Kid pix....that's been around awhile....
Robyn/1st/VA - yep! tried true...and they keep improving it!
Cher/2/CA - Marcia..but some of this new stuff my old puter won't handle!!!
Addie/mo - kidpix is good. i had it on our mac
Cher/2/CA - Well, I'll have to find an old Kid Pix .....
Addie/mo - i am sure that the newest version is much better than what i used to have. it is probably 8 to 10 years old
Toni - I know.. I've been under a rock, I guess.
Robyn/1st/VA - Cher> we have that trouble too....old machines new software= major problems and disappointments!
Marcia/1-2/Ca - That's why I haven't gotten a new on..my computers are old and run on 256
Toni - I ordered this one from eStore (I think). It was free...only 3.95 shipping.
Cher/2/CA - Robyn..EXACTLY!!!!! if you can't use it on the oldies...what's the purpose ....am thinking about Kidspiration specifically here! Sounds great...but what will it need!
Toni - I ordered Land Before Time from Scholastic with my bonus points and it wouldn't play on my computer at school!
Marcia/1-2/Ca - see if you can find a local computer show..the software I got two years ago was an old model for $5
Robyn/1st/VA - oh how disappointing......
Toni - We're supposed to get new computers when we get these new programs, but they've been saying that for a couple of years.
Cher/2/CA - Toni...yup..I know what you mean! Just getting 1 new one would be helpful!!!!
Robyn/1st/VA - Toni>yep..*they* promise us a lot of stuff too!
Marcia/1-2/Ca - well try the demo ..it's free..but I think it runs on 256 so that's an indicator that it would be fine on the old ones
Robyn/1st/VA - i've got to switch computers...will take me awhile...
Robyn/1st/VA - dh wants the pc...so I'm off to my mac laptop
Robyn/1st/VA - thanks for the titles if I don't make it back!
Cher/2/CA - Robyn..that's what I have too!
Toni - I gotta go too. I'll still have a 2 y/o up. Thanks everybody. This was fun!
Lissy/1/AZ - oh ok...I like Jumpstart...don't think it works on old hulks though.
Marcia/1-2/Ca - well I have been on toooo long...I have goats to milk...bye all
garf/sped/ga - Jump Start is ok.
Cher/2/CA - Well, all, am loaded with info now to go and venture into cyberspace and see what I can produce...Thanks for all the info...garf...you have great resource info...very helpful as well! Bye all!
Robyn/again! - Garf..thanks for your help re:son! I will continue my fight for him!
Robyn/again! - I'm heading out too...bye!
