Donna - Hi Susan
Susan(NC) - Hi Donna & anyone else who is here!
Donna - Are you madly typing like me?
Susan(NC) - I have some specific ?'s about science - I'm a banker so I'm only doing 2.........ONLY is an understatement!!
Donna - I am working on entry 3 too
Donna - what is your question?
Susan(NC) - Aggie, maybe you can help me? In the science - what instructional artifacts did you include (if any?) Donna, please chime in too!
Donna - what did you do susan?
sue - do im's still have to include 1 before, 2 during the video and one after?
Donna - I am including our KWL chart and a data sheet from opur experiments
aggieb NC - Susan, I submitted powerpoint slide, Pics, a picture of the earthworm habitant, and a kwl chart
sue - susan- no problem, after 6 yrs fuschia becomes automatic! I need a wardrobe change every now and then
Susan(NC) - I'm working on magnets with 1st graders and we have done Tons of stuff!
clm - Can anyone help me with "What patterns of behaviors does child exhibit ..
sue - clm- for literacy?
Donna - 3 IM's for science-can come before during or after video
aggieb NC - a kwl char is always great, it assess prior knowledge and can be used as an assessmen tool
clm - yes
Susan(NC) - KWL chart & tally sheet from the video is a great idea for science!
aggieb NC - CLM what do you mean by patterns of behavior?
Donna - me too susan-doing magnets
aggieb NC - CLM, if they like to take turns, share, work in groups'
Susan(NC) - 2nd question is "what font did everyone use" ?? I'm the older generation rules - so I can use 10 and I'm leaning toward 10 microsoft Sans seril? Any comments??
clm - Under analysis of two children's literacy development the last question says What patterns of behaviors (strengths, interests, needs etc. ) does each child exhibit towad literacy
aggieb NC - ok, does he/she like to read alone, with a partner, what genre of books, etc
clm - Thanks-that's a big help
Donna - don't know susan I am new and must use 12 pt
marci - help, I'm panicing. on my literacy entry I've crossed over between analysis and supporting literacy development. Will assessors pull out what they need or do I have to go back and rewrite the whole thing?
Susan(NC) - Donna, what grade for magnets? Is your video small group or whole class?
clm - Now, what about Big Idea in Science. I am using a plant study. We will talk about plants and how they grow. What is the big idea?
sue - clm- what does the child do or not do for example-- one of my child did not consistently speak in complete sentences
diane - i am writing up magnets NOW too...did with kinder
Donna - I am K- doing small groups that rotate through 5 different avtivites- gives me 5 videos to choose from without repeating
aggieb NC - CLM.. the only way I could fairly answer that would be to read your entry... What are you trying to teach them. what is the main idea?
sue - marci- I think the rules say seperate categories but it should be easy to seperate
marci - also I used space in instructional context to talk about the 2 specific children since they are the "special needs" children of this entry. do I still need to talk about children with with special needs if I never mention them again in the entry?
Susan(NC) - Big idea in science with plants might fall under 2 categories ?
Donna - I used systems order and organization as big idea-not sure though
clm - Can you tell me which 2 categories?
marci - I wrote my questions, my assessments and the then the stategies to move them forward. that makes sense to me.
diane - it took all i could muster to use systems, order and organ. for magnets...big ideas throw me for a loop
sue - marci- I would you need to describe the characteristics of the 2 children featured in the entry. the assessors won't know these 2 are your special needs kids unless you state it
Donna - me too diane-I feel very unsure of my BI
ChrisNC :) - I am confused about the options for literacy. my samples for one child are from both A and B but I know I have to choose only one...How?
aggieb NC - meausrement , constancy and change would probalu be the other big idea for science
Susan(NC) - I think systems/ order & organization and Structure & Function; but I'm not a science guru.........but 3rd times the charm, right? LOL
diane - donna...email me later as i know that it is a good BI choice and we can talk
marci - they aren't specifically "special needs" but it seems they are the two assessors need info about to "see" who they are. I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense
Donna - is this my diane of the books?
aggieb NC - CLM..see how we choose three, ,, it depends upon what you taught your kids and no one can answer without reading the entry
Kelly M - Hi everybody - sorry I'm late. Sounds like you all are busy busy busy busy!
Donna - I don't have your email handy as my computer is down and I am on my husbands computer today
Genie/GA - aggieb, for my science "BI", I wrote " properties of matter as defined in the unifying concept of Constancy and change"....dos that look ok?
sue - (((( Kelly))))
diane - the one who sold you books???yep!!
Donna - love the Building a Primary Classroom!
diane - yes...a great book...could use it still but am in need of $$$
aggieb NC - Genie,, I would hate to answer without reading the first part of a person's entry to see what they were really trying to teach their students. you have to weave the BI throughout the entry for a solid score.. just stating it is not good enought..
marci - any other comments about my literacy problem? or not a problem? Help would be appreciated. I'm confused about what assessors are trained to pull out in the entries.
aggieb NC - enough
sue - I agree with aggie. remember the same idea can have 2 differenr big ideas depending on how it's taught
Donna - I wonder about using the BI of constancy since we are repeating experiments to see oif the results are always the same?
diane - can we just write up the 4 pgs. on planning and instruction without starting new paragraphs...only way i can fit it in
Kelly M - Diane - you don't have to have paragraphs!
diane - did any of you use bullets or did you just write??
Genie/GA - I have another book that was INVALUABLE for entry 1..."Scaffolding Emergent Literacy". by Soderman, Gregory and O'Neill. Excellent for our age children....pre-k thru 3rd grade
aggieb NC - There was a lot of chatter on the ring about 24 point.. what's this all about? Is it within guidelines.. I wouldn;'t trust it.
Susan(NC) - so if you write the BI in all of the activities , not specifically naming it but the assessors should be able to tell , right?
Genie/GA - I used bullets in 3 to describe our sequence of lessons for the unit
diane - thanks kelly...i am on the last line and used all 4 pgs. just wrote and wrote
sue - marci- just a few questions to think about-- did you describe each child selected? did you integrate informal and formal assessments? did your analysis of work samples answer your questions about each child?
Donna - Last I heard aggie-it was a no-no
ChrisNC :) - one student has a sample with letter like formations describing her picture (she dictated a sentence) and her others are drawings with sentences using inventive spelling should I use option A even though the last 2 samples may be B?
Susan(NC) - 24 point?? how could you answer all the questions? NO room for anything-
marci - sue, yes I did all that in the analysis but I also added what I did next to move them forward with their literacy. I was told I shouldn't do that but it seems logical to me.
Donna - I used A for all of mine Chris, even when they started to write sentences
sue - chris- I don't have my entry 1 rules here but I think that would still be option A. reread it. Option B was more for the independent writers
aggieb NC - Susan I stated the big idea in the beginning but throughout the entry it was cleared shown.. and perphs stated here or there.. I knew I make it a clear case and point
tmw1 - Hello everyone! Hope all is well!
diane - can't you use A for one and B for the other...can't remember all the way back to last year...i'm too old
Genie/GA - I used both A and B for my students because the second student was writing paragraphs w/ dialogue in them
Susan(NC) - thanks aggie, I think I got it- hope so!
ChrisNC :) - Thanks the words "marks do not reflect conventional ways of forming letters" are throwing me...she does use conventional ways of forming letters in all samples.
sue - marci- if you changed instruction as the result of the analysis of the work sample it should be ok. But, you should be very specific in the seperate section about supporting literacy
Genie/GA - the first student was in the pre-phonemic stage of writing...and still is!
diane - i stuck in the reference to systems where it would fit to make sure they saw the connection or saw that i saw the connection
aggieb NC - Diane,, that makes it clear !
Donna - so the BI needs to be referred to all the way through your entry?
diane - hey bruppert...i just love that picture you sent with the tatoos and piercings...it freaked me out!!
Susan(NC) - sue, I'm going to get back to my rewriting- you can have the "fushia" back! LOL
Kelly M - Hey there bruppert! How are you?
Kelly M - And hello mariami - welcome!
mariami - hi everyone
tmw1 - I am starting to really get stressed. I am almost through typing up entry 3 and then I have to do Social Studies before I am finished. My box is due 4/15. I am really running out of time.
bruppert - KellyM, doing fine got the book you told me to order. it came yesterday
sue - bye susan
Susan(NC) - Bye all and good luck........March Madness has begun!
Donna - me too tmwl-still taping!
diane - doona...did you get my message with my email address??
Kelly M - Hello Jonesy - welcome....
Jonesy - Thanks Kelly
marci - I have more to say about other literacy materials and daily routines, etc. in the supporting section. I didn't really change instruction since the instruction followed what the samples and tests indicated. does that make sense?
mariami - anyone having problems with too many pages in the entries
Donna - no diane-don't know how to find it??!
sue - ok, back to my singature color
tmw1 - Me too, I feel that Social Studies will be my hardest entry.
bruppert - dieane, I thought it was funny all the tatoos
ginger - hi, everyone!
tmw1 - I am for science.
ChrisNC :) - Literacy? YES
Genie/GA - My problem, mariami, is that I only have 10 pages for Entry 2...it just feels short to me!
diane - when you have too many pgs. you start deleting all the extra words...amazing how you can eliminate words and still keep the content
aggieb NC - First we all tell our stories and then we learn to tell them in a clear concise way by cutting the flull to the allotted pages
Genie/GA - I really had to cut #1 and #3
mariami - ten pages for both students
sue - marci- OK, but the analysis of one sample should have lead to other questions. you really should have been able to differentiate instruction based on the needs seen in the analysis of the work samples
Jonesy - I am interested in trying the NB next year. I just want to know if it is an impossible dream and will it cause problems in my very new marriage?
diane - hi ginger...haven't gotten back to you...all is fine though at the moment
Genie/GA - Jonesy...does your very new husband mind if you spend hours at the computer?
ginger - jonesy, how long have you been teaching?
sue - jonesy- depends on how understanding the new husband is about missed meals, late nights and meetings with other NB people
tmw1 - For SS I am going to do a unit on the flag and at the end have the students work in pairs to develop a class flag. Does anyone know of a site I can go to to get some symbols and their meanings that the students can use?
Donna - where do I find private mesages?
ginger - ok, diane, thanks
mariami - diane what do you mean about extra words like adjectives
Jonesy - no, acutally he works very long hours and will support me. I have taught 8 years.
Genie/GA - tmw1...how about the microsoft clip art gallery?
diane - it is a very time consuming task but it is doable (i hope)
marci - yes, sue the analysis did lead to more questions and then I see what you mean a change in instruction because now instead of short vowels I'm looking at digraphs. Am I getting what you mean?
sue - tmw- why not let them create their own symbols on what's important to the group. I did that with my pre-k class and they loved it
ginger - tmwl, how about just looking in a dictionary or othere reference book?
Jonesy - Can you tell me anything I can be doing now to prepare me to get in the "state of mind"
ginger - sounds like you would be fine, jonesy.
ChrisNC :) - Well gotta go and work on my revisions!!! Bye.
ginger - jonesy, get on the email ring and read all of the old files
Donna - go online jonesy at the NBPTS site and read all the info there
aggieb NC - Jonesy, I joined the ec ring and read the files, download the directions!
Genie/GA - Jonesy, get in the habit of saving EVERYTHING for work samples! and evaluate them on your own
ginger - hey, donna, great minds must think alike!
tmw1 - Sue I had thought about that, but wasn't sure if I should have something they could go to if needed.
Kelly M - Jonesy - what do you teach?
clm - in my unit on plants I believe the Big Idea would be Life Science but I am not sure if it would be Characteristics of organism or life cycles of organisma or organisms and environments. I am going to do all three with all my activities.
diane - instead of me writing that my science objective for the unit is that my students will...i write my science objective is...they know they are for my students and i have eliminated a few words...few here a few there save space
sue - marci-- sort of. what did you learn from the sample that helped you help your student progress
Donna - my mind doesn't feel so great today-feels like MUSH
Jonesy - thanks so much. I am working on my writing skills and organization. I teach Kindergarten.
ginger - tmwl, we created our own flag and song. we learned that flags have meaning, and discussed the meaning of the american flag
sue - clm- the big idea is not life science
sue - tmw- what grade?
diane - life science is not a BI
Jonesy - I am finishing my masters this fall and plan to start the process then. I appreiate all your help.
tmw1 - Would designing their own class flag be enough art integration?
clm - So what would be the big idea
aggieb NC - Jonesy, I joined the ec ring and read the files, download the directions!
tmw1 - I teach first grade.
aggieb NC - Jones, there are a lot of kindergarten teachers on the mailring!!
Donna - I know the BI s but what do you call the life science, pyhsical sciene etc? How does that fit into your write up?
sue - marci- the cycle should be ask/ answer/adjust/support/analyze again
marci - it showed me what to concentrate on next. I was able to see if what I was doing with him was helping. and then I planned activities to provide a support for what he was currently weak in.
Jonesy - Thanks I will check it out. Have a wonderful day.
ginger - tmwl, that's what ours was and i did fine
mariami - anyone having problems with documentation for # 4 are they looking for specifics in parent letters
sue - tmw- it's not just art it's the arts. if they kids are just using clip art and coloring the flag that's really a craft
Kelly M - Jonesy - come and join the EC_GEN mailring. You'll learn a ton if you join now and listen! Plus you can look in all of our files. You can find it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EC_GEN/ Just click on subscribe and you are in!
diane - i personally don't know what your BI would be but refer to the pgs. on BI in our instructions and read what it says under each
sue - marci- then you got it!
sue - clm- it depends on how the lesson was taught
Kelly M - Hi Shelby - welcome!
tmw1 - They aren't just coloring the flag, they will design their own class flag and present it to the class.
aggieb NC - Kelly, is always here to straighten thing out.. Yeah!! Kelly!! Your prescence is always welcomed!!
sue - ginger- what other arts did you have in your entry?
ginger - mariami, they are always looking for student impact. so your letter from parents should indicate that impact
sue - shelby?? that's my husband's name!
tmw1 - The students will then get to vote on which one they like the best.
Genie/GA - Would it be ok. in #4 to include a copy of my master's diploma or should I show a student example using a strategy I learned in a master's course?
tmw1 - I would do both Genie.
ginger - sue, we did create a class song
sue - tmw- sorry-- I misunderstood. I thought they were using the clip art and coloring it on a template
sue - ginger- now I remember it!
aggieb NC - How did the strategy impact student learning..I think is much more powerful than seeing a diploma
Donna - in entry 4. should we use student work sample as an artifact for workshops or professional reading to show student impact?
tmw1 - No problem, just wondering if my ideas are o.k. SS is my weakest area.
sue - ginger- what entries are you working on?
shelby - tmw1-I am doing patriotic symbols -- the children are making US flags, liberty bell, statue of liberty along with some musical instruments-students are in groups of three creating the symbols -- sound ok?
diane - Donna did you get that message
ginger - genie, i would go with the class and how it specifically impacted the kids
marci - sue, sorry to be redundant, my brain is pretty mushy right now. Should I take the crossover parts out or can I keep them in because it shows what I did in response to the test or observation results. I will add other things in the supporting section then that also helped them to progress
ginger - sue, i am preparing to retake the science ac
bruppert - I would like to ask someone a question about science?
Genie/GA - thought so....but I am so proud to even have the actual diploma....it took them almost a year to send it to me!!! HA
diane - shoot bruppert...consider the source as i am redoing science
tmw1 - How are they making the flags, bell, and the statue of liberty?
diane - i think we have someone who isn't a candidate
Donna - got it diane
tmw1 - Well now, I think you might be in the wrong chat room with that name.
Donna - I remebered you wre crazy diane-just not the rest
sue - marci-- read it after you have completed the entry and you decided.
marci - actually I guess I have to make the final decision anyway as you said. thanks sue for the advice and help
bruppert - I m doing properties of water and my BI is constancy , measurement and change-- we have been doing all kinds of experiements with and mixing things and seeing shapes snow and ice make---so... my question is how do I go about deciding which instructional materials we use. I have journal entries.
Genie/GA - as if we couldn't guess that!!!
Donna - should student work samples be used to support what I learned from conferences and professional reading in entry4?
diane - what about a IM that shows your math??
tmw1 - I picked ones that showed math, science, and writing.
aggieb NC - Bruppert, find the entry that helps you to assess the child's content knowledge. find the one you can write the most about..
diane - how about using a paper/pencil assessment??
Genie/GA - For Entry 2, I only have 10 pages...however, the prompts are all addressed and it flows nicely and is clear and concise...
bruppert - diane what kind of pencil'paper ass?
shelby - statue of liberty is just a crown and the torch using posterboard, toilet paper rolls, paint - the bell -we are trying papermache over a balloon- musical instruments are paper towel rolls decorated with stars, red,white, blue and streamers - we will then have a parade and present it at PTA
sue - marci= don't forget to mention what you did with the parents to help the students succeed
mariami - if we retake an entry are there any grants that are avaliable to help us out
ginger - shelby, that sounds like so much fun!
bruppert - aggie-- one of my children wrote in his journa that he wondered.... and I am planning on using that one.
tmw1 - Wow, that sounds great to me shelby.
mariami - shelby that sounds like an awesome idea
Donna - shelby, we did the Statue of Liverty last year for our Pep Rally for America. The kids loved it!
shelby - fun - yes- but a successful idea for ss/arts? tying in citizenship with respect for patriotic symbols - have many hispanic children & trying to get them to understand why we say pledge, etc. - teach Kindergarten
diane - for magnets i made a sheet where the kids circle all the items on the sheet that will be attracted to a magnet and will use this as an assessment...also using a bar graph showing how many paper clips a magnet will pick up
ginger - shelby, if you don't live in NY, would you like me to send you a statue of liberty postcard?
shelby - had a death in the family and am getting a slow start here with social studies
mariami - I feel that it covers the criteria
ginger - shelby, it sounds like a great unit. why do you doubt that?
bruppert - Aggie and Diane would it be ok to use a graph of the comparison we did between ice melting and snow?
shelby - I would love the postcard! What a great tie in! I have some things from when we visited NY about four years ago - of course didn't know then that I would be doing this now!
Donna - we are going to tally the paper clips held by different strengths of magnets0see if the size of a magnet affects its strength
mariami - diane i did magnets too but my chart was on what they predicted would stick i think you idea is better
aggieb NC - Bruppert the graph shows true integration of math.. go for it
mariami - donna what grade is this?
Genie/GA - bruppert, I had a "worksheet" w/ 3 stamps of thermometers to show different temperatures in different containers...
diane - i am not the expert but a graph ties to math and is a great tool if it fits in with your lesson
sue - thanks ginger-- had a frozen screen!
Donna - I am K
ginger - donna, i did that, too, and the kids were fascinated to find that the size of the magnet didn't cause it's strength
tmw1 - What is your social goal shelby?
diane - i did an aims cut/paste on what they think will stick also
Genie/GA - The worksheet was teacher made..and then I ended up having kids do their own w/ the thermometer stamps...that was a hoot!
sue - bruppert- I used a science report form from the science center with their dictation
shelby - social skill is cooperation (also our character trait for this month) and would citizenship be social skill or social studies?
Donna - we will also test various materials and see if the magnet can attract through it- do a graph of our results
Genie/GA - citizenship is a social studies skill...
bruppert - sue, what do you mean a science report?
Jonesy - Could I get that site for the email ring again?
ginger - citizenship is a social studies content skill, but being a good citizen is a social skill. i think!
mariami - donna i have an aims chart that specifies that they could check off do you need it
sue - when I tried to log back in I got a virus alert-- anyone heard of the bugbear virus?
marci - need to get back to writing since I am almost out of time. Can't believe it's time to mail the box already. Thanks for all the help and support through this journey, not just today. You guys are awesome.
diane - i used a piece of lodestone and it was cool to see the magnet attract thru my hand
ginger - www.yahoogroups.com sign up for the EC_GEN list
bruppert - no sue have not heard of that, but be careful they have so much out there.
Donna - mariami-I would love to have it!
sue - bruppert--it's a form I created Child's name ( actually my kids used their symbols, too)
ginger - diane, where did you get lodestone?
Genie/GA - Amen to that , Marci....you guys have provided so much support and encouragement!
Jonesy - Thanks
aggieb NC - I have to leave also.. my support is just an email away.
ginger - bye, marci. good luck
Donna - what aims book? I have access to several?
Genie/GA - You are an angel, Aggie
diane - matiami...i would like it slso if i could
mariami - i'm having problems on the question in one on how successful was my lesson can anyone help with this one
bruppert - thanks aggie, and be in touch
ginger - by, aggie
diane - a teacher had it...it was so powerful
sue - bruppert-- I saw...... and a large square text box. Under the text box--- I noticed........... I think.......................
bruppert - sue can you send me a copy of this worksheet you use
tmw1 - Same here guys, thanks for everything. Ya'll are a big help. Have a great week.
Donna - mariami-which aims book has the magnet sheet?
sue - bruppert-- I can but I modeled it after the one in Doing What Scientists Do if you have that book
ginger - mariami, i'm not sure what you are asking
mariami - i might have it with me let me check now i cant remember what book it was in
Genie/GA - sue, the one in the back of the book?
diane - donna...not sure as it was sent to me...i'll check and see if it says and let you know when you email me later
sue - mari- do you achieve your objectives>
sue - genie- I think so.. don't have the book here. But my 4 yr olds loved it
bruppert - sue, I have that copied and we used it too I was just wondering how I could use some materials .. that is a good idea.
ginger - sorry, my time was short today. Kelly, this was a most 'interesting' chat! See ya on the ring!
sue - well I have to go check out this virus thing
Genie/GA - It is a great one...can easily be done on the computer and used in many applications
sue - see ya next week
Genie/GA - hey, our "lurker" is gone!!! YEA
diane - sorry donna...i thought you wanted the cut/paste prediction sheet...only one i have from aims but i think you were talking to mariami
Genie/GA - guess he got bored!
bruppert - so diane how was this week for you?
Donna - guess he had better things to do!
diane - i am alive and well....son out of school and working full time
Genie/GA - Well...good luck to all. For those sending the boxes off next week...hope the weather stays pretty...and good luck writing. I have to go buy another printer cartridge...thought I could make it on this one!
bruppert - just so long as you are ok and it will all work out for you.
diane - i also took a colored picture of all my magnets and materials and may use them for my 3rd IM
Genie/GA - bye...
Donna - well, guess I need to go do what I hope is my final rewrite of Entry 1- it's time to finalize SOMETHING!
Donna - mariami I though I sent you my email address-it's kgnteachmb@hotmail.com Guess I didn't do something right!
diane - mariami...if you can fax me that sheet i will send you my fax # on mon. if that is o.k.??
mariami - donna i have it ill send it to you
Donna - diane-I will email you later tonight if my husband lets me back on his computer-my internet connection is not working fi some reason
mariami - thats fine too i have a fax at home
bruppert - diane sounds likeyour science is going well.
diane - just found the # 407-518-2019...that's my school...name is diane raskin...thanks
mariami - diane that fine just send it on mon
bruppert - diane the other girl at my school is doing magnets, would it be ok if I give her your name, you might be able to help her . she is kindergarten.
diane - well it is about over...i have to keep fine tuning it...sending it off mon. to 4 different certified teachers to read and hope to be done by 3/17 which is first day of spring break
Donna - okay I am REALLY going this time-I am procrastinating
bruppert - I will be working still on 3/17
mariami - diane i wish i could say i was close to being done
diane - i am a banker with only one entry to redo
bruppert - i am a banker and I am redoing two
diane - bruppert that is great..i did mine with kinder also
mariami - did you have to pay to redo your entry or could you get grants
diane - i got a grant for the $300 from someone?? in the state of fl.
Kelly M - Sorry folks - I had to leave you abruptly a little while ago! Can I do anything for anyone?
mariami - wow thats great
bruppert - yeah write my portfolios/ LOL LOL
Kelly M - bruppert - thanks - but no thanks! I've done enough of that!
bruppert - I need some motivation to write I am at a wall and it has been there forever, doesn't want to move.
mariami - well im going to try to write bye guys
Kelly M - bruppert - how about a quick look at the calendar? That might be some motivation!
bruppert - mariami, yes I had to pay to redo and my county will give me tuition reimbursement later on
diane - well i am motivated to finish so that i don't have to look at it over spring break...those days are for ME...last yr. i spent completing this process and not doing it this year
bruppert - yeah I look at the calendar and want to roll over.
mariami - wow i guess i was lucky to get the grant for the first time around
bruppert - good for you diane!! you deserve that break
diane - well bruppert we both have personal problems that weigh us down....way down
diane - so do you dear bruppert....kelly did you get the picture of the boy with the tatoos and piercings from bruppert...enough to make you hug your own kid
Kelly M - diane - no kidding! Yeah, I got it! That just gave me the creeps!
bruppert - yeah that was some pix.
bruppert - gave me the creeps too but then I thought well be grateful for some blessing. LOL
Kelly M - bruppert - that's right! see? just when we think it can't get worse we find out that it can!
diane - my son called me last night and said they were out going to places where they did piercings...i said you better get nothin pierced and if he did it would have to be in his pants because i saw nothing elde
bruppert - yeah for sure, DAnny's latest is he is going to CA and get his education --he needs to get away from us.
bruppert - my sons did the piercing thing and tatoos too.
bruppert - Jake is so conservative and he asks me where we got the boys, he says they must be my kids cuz he is not like that at all.
diane - maybe my son can go with him...a high school dropout, no drivers lincense and just 16 yrs. old...no tatoos and no piercing until he is old enough
Kelly M - I know that I am very blessed with my two kids...
bruppert - well Danny won't have the license after 25 Mar. either but has the piercing and tatoos.
diane - take it from bruppert and me...YOU ARE!!
bruppert - my oldest son went through this same stage and he is fine now and can't get over Danny. In fact he says the funniest things becasue he has forgotten how he left and had to go to CA too. to find himself.
diane - i still wouldn't trade him for anything because he is a gentle soul and the most wonderful person in the world despite being 16 and confused
Kelly M - bruppert - where would he go in CA - do you have relatives there or something?
bruppert - yeah well I could think on trading for a bit.
diane - my older one is fine!!!
bruppert - no nothing is there,... he is just not happy and all.
bruppert - it is so stupid and Jake told him he was not affording him to go to College out there at all.
diane - they think getting out will solve their problems...my 21 yr. old said a million times when he was young, i can't wait til i can move out of here...well he's 21...move out ALREADY
Kelly M - bruppert - where did your older son stay when he went out there?
bruppert - I can't talk to him as I want to scream and yell at h im and I know that turns him off. So I am stewing inside and abut to loose my mind
bruppert - Timmy had graduated from William and Mary and had a job out there in Monterey CA.
bruppert - totally a different scenerio
diane - been there my dear as you know...i'll keep you in my prayers and thoughts because we do survive although i don't know how
bruppert - Danny has only 2 years of college and one of his friends is not happy at Frostburg state in MD and he is thinking he will go with him. just being a follower. He has the opportunity to play football at FSu and all.
Kelly M - Well, I wish both of you well. I'll send good thoughts your way...and a push to help you sink yourselves into your writing!
bruppert - yeah I need a swift kick in the bossa wheesay!!
diane - thanks kelly...we both know you are a doll
bruppert - If I could just turn my emotions off and get involved in this.
bruppert - thanks Kelly I appreciate your friendship and your prayers.
Kelly M - bruppert - but that's impossible! Maybe you should try to turn that emotional energy into finishing. Sort of a "I can do this DESPITE what you deal me!" kind of thinking!
Kelly M - diane - you can do it! You're absolutely right....we do survive, don't we?
diane - have to go now...see you all later...sending love and hope your way, bye...mscrazylady
bruppert - yeah I am trying that is all Ic an say
bruppert - I guess the heart is not in it and that is why I can not write I don't know,but Jake is a big support as we went through such an ordeal at this time last year with him.
Kelly M - bruppert - tell Jake I said hi! And you take care of yourself! I worry about you!
bruppert - But again I appreciate your book suggestions and all and your happy thoughts my way. I will be fine ...I worry about me too,
bruppert - it is not my style to be down and this is a new part of my life I am dealing with and don't quite know how to handle it.
bruppert - so I will be the little that could... I read that to my class this week to help me.
Kelly M - bruppert - well, take care of yourself first. You can't help the family or finish this or anything unless YOU are okay!
Kelly M - Keep me posted about how you are doing....okay?
bruppert - I am okay --You are OKay remember that book? see ya and thanks
Kelly M - Talk to you later!
bruppert - I will keep you posted ... I am not sure how I am really... but I think good thoughts and try hard. So...
