Post: jilli's games
Posted by jilli, jillib5122@AOL.COM
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on 6/09/99
Non-competive Games
Have Fun!!!!!
Doug - Is anyone using
non-competitive games in their classrooms?
Doug - Let's take
tag for example.
Kathleen - Doug,
Does "Doggie, Doggie, Who Has Your Bone?" qualify as noncompetitive? :-)
luv2tch - yes some
Djinn - Doug - could
you define "non-competitive?"
Doug - if all kids
participate and their are no losers or winners...perhaps that may qualify
luv2tch - I use them
a lot especially during my ecolgy unit
Doug - Superman.
two kids are taggers if they tag kids they freeze like sperman (or superwoman)
and to unfreeze the kids who have bnnot been tagged go under their legs...all
participate...no losers or winners
luv2tch - there are
many non-comp games listed in the Project Wet etc books
Doug - Perhaps EPR
techniques can be considered as non-competitive....Every Pupil Response
activities
Kathleen - Should
we discard all competitive games? Or try for a balance?
Karen - Are you targeting
specific age groups in your discussion?
jilli - I think kids
prefer
non-competive games, but both should be included.
luv2tch - we should
try for a balance- i think the penjulum (sp) should not swing all one way
Doug - Kathleen-
I try to stick to non-competitive games because I feel competition leads
to aggressiveness (I am not a utopian)
Djinn - I agree-
I have had 5th graders so competetive that they would try to hurt each
other to win!
luv2tch - Doug can
you explain EPR please
jilli - It is part
of our psyche to be the best, but rarely are we taught the skills to work
together and those skills are vital!
Doug - using game
theory most games...or variables within the game can be adjusted from competitive
to non-competive
Kathleen - The concern
seems to be that competiveness does not lead to being able to be a team
"player"
Kathleen - I'm interested
in hearing about some more specific games AND philosophy :-)
Doug - When I studied
competition versus cooperation in Social Psychology...competion would give
the players more but cooperation would be more consistant
Djinn - What about
cooperative games/ beach blanket volleyball where everyone must hold onto
the blanket and move together?
jilli - Djinn-That
sounds like fun!
Doug - Kickball-
instead of having a pitcher and a kicker have the whole team run around
all 3 bases while the outfield pass the ball to each other...all participate
Kathleen - Doug,
I don't understand: competion would give the players more but cooperation
would be more consistent"
Djinn - How do you
get children to play cooperative games - many older kids are on soccor,
soft-ball, team sports and everything is geared twoards winning. some olderkids
do not see the point if thye can't win
Djinn - can you suggest
some resources for us?
jilli - Djinn, I
teach eighth graders and they but into it because they win if they complete
the task.
Kathleen - Djinn,
I wonder if it would help to change the terminology, perhaps instead of
"game" call it "exercise in cooperation"
Doug - in a prisoners
dimlemma ( adevice used in basements of psychology builings) a player would
be able to get more points if he wanted to work against other people trather
than with people which would be cooperation
Kathleen - Is there
any difference between noncompetitive games and cooperative games?
Doug - Sage publications
has many books devoted to the topic
Doug - competitive
has winners and losers
jilli - Kathleen,
yes because there are games that are fun just to play.
jilli - Kat- Regarding
what to call it, I call everything a game because kids buy into it then.
Kathleen - Alfie
Kohn addresses the negative aspects of over-competitiveness in his book:
No Contest : The Case Against Competition http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0395631254/teachersnet
Doug - partner tag-
kids find a partner and are safe if holding hands. two kids are it and
can tag out others if alone. If lazy and partners are not running. The
two who are it can get together and tag the loafers...all participate..no
"losers and winners"
Djinn - We called
that centipede tag - lock arms and tag someone else and they lock arms
with the group
Mary K&1 - Is
it healthy to totally avoid competition? Shouldn't there be opportunity
for both? Real life has it's competitions, kids should learn how to be
healthy competitors, if we avoid competition all together they will never
learn how to handle it when it does come their way. Balance the two ...
al-Ia - I am with
middle school students. By the time I get them they are really into competiveness
Doug - 2 headed monster-
two kids call out I am a two headed teacher/monster (LOL) and I will get
you 1234. All run if tagged they join the monster on the next go round...I
am a 9 headed monster...etc. untill all are tagged...again no losers all
participate
jilli - Mary- I agree
that there needs to be a balance, but what I see, everything revolves around
competition.
Doug - Mary- in an
ideal world we can't avoid competition..it is built into out economic system.
I don't know the answer other than doing our best to avoid teaching taking,
bullying, hoarding, etc
al-Ia - We have intra-district
sports and even tho no scores are to be kept. Everyone knows the winners
jilli - Since I have
started my classes with cooperative games, the classes tone has been different.
Doug - In student
teaching I gave table points and the winning table got a treat at the end
of the week. On friday, I watched the other groups and their faces and
non-verbally I was teaching that you can get more than them
al-Ia - In 7 and
8 grade we have conference sports. A, B,C teams. They are not equal in
talent. C team has to watch all games, but others don't
Kathleen - jilli,
tell us about the differences you notice now
Doug - politically-
perhaps we are favoring socialism...is this wrong?
Doug - when I studied
cooperative groups...the concept of group interdependence leads to competition
between groups...I say you can have cooperative groups without the structure
of interdependence
al-Ia - What about
essay contests and the like. That is competition.
jilli - As you know,
in middle school, social status is vital. I teach drama where students
have to work together. Students don't complain about who they have to work
with now. I amazes me to see the unlikely friendships that develop.
Doug - al- can't
all win? is my little speech
Kathleen - Journal
Article: Do Classroom Games Improve Motivation and Learning?Author: Nemerow,
Laurence G. Journal Citation: Teaching and Change, v3 n4 p356-66 Sum 1996
ISSN: 1068-378X Publication Year: 1996
al-Ia - jilli, how
do you go about tryouts for your plays? that is competition, too.
jilli - al- I organize
the essay contest at my school. I'm just sharing some ways for students
to work together. It's fun!
Doug - Social Psychology
truth- competion makes players want more and therefor some will have less
Mary K&1 - Where
does "I Spy" and 20 questions fall? competitive or not?
Kathleen - PTA Today,
v18 n7 p14-15 May 1993 Title: Even Up the Score with Noncompetitive Games.
Author: Perry, Susan K. ISSN: 0195-2781 Publication Year: 1993
al-Ia - jilli, you
have a group do they essay.? Sounds pretty good.
Doug - Mary- I spy
has a place in my classroom i just like everyone to get a chance to say
I spy with my little eyes something_________
jilli - Honestly,
I look at the students who came to the most rehearsals before tryouts,
so I can see committment. Two years ago I didn't take the most talented
actor in my school because he thought he could skate on his talent.
Doug - perhaps cooperative
teaching structures makes us more of facilitators rather than dictators....
al-Ia - jilli, I
am so glad to hear that commitment statemaent.
jilli - al-I've been
burned by primadonnas and blown away by hard workers.
Doug - should effort
count as much as correctness?
al-Ia - Doug, sometimes
more so
Mary K&1 - Doug,
it depends upon your objective/s
Doug - Mary- yes,
very true
Kathleen - Can a
very competitive person overshadow another who has more talent?
Doug - Mary- in Reading
Recovery we are not so concerned if they get the word right but the "reading
work" the kid was using to solve the unknown word
al-Ia - Kathleen,
I would say it depends on how hard that person works toward the goal
Debbie/PA - I hold
morning meetings everyday in my classroom, part of the meeting is a noncompetitive
game
al-Ia - Debbie, such
as...
terri - What types
of games? Grade level?
Doug - Kathleen-
perhaps birth order, culture, etc may play a role. You have your dissertation
lined up
Debbie/PA - well,
I am here looking for new ideas (grade 4-5)
al-Ia - Even if a
game is non-comp, do the same students seem to come out the "winners"
jilli - Kathleen,
I know very competitive people with no talent! LOL
Kathleen - al, but
as teachers, we would have to be careful not to miss out on opportunities
to nurture talent that doesn't present itself in very competitive situations
al-Ia - Kathleen,
agreed
Kathleen - Is competitiveness
a talent?
Doug - Personally
I am into this topic because our world is becomming over populated and
there is increasing crime. I want a nicer world
al-Ia - Doug, you
think competition leads to crime
jilli - Kat-The best
actors are the quit ones.
Mary K&1 - It's
a behavior or a way of thinking - but then again it is instinctive - very
basic if in cases of survival
cofio - I am a substitute
teacher and I like to use cooperative games with the kids. They need to
learn to cooperate as well as compete
Doug - al- no just
that competion may lead to things that I want them to avoid...I should
also say that I teach Kindergarten in an area where many of the kids see
drive-by shootings ,violence, etc and I want to make a difference
jilli - Think about
ants.They survive because they cooperate.
Debbie/PA - our morning
meetings are geared toward teamwork and a sense of community. Here is one
"game" Have children sit in a circle. You need a ball of string. The children
pass the string from one to another holding on to a section of it. It makes
a gaint "web". The tricky part is going backwards to rewind the string.
al-Ia - Debbie, good
one
Kathleen - cofio,
would you tell us about one or more of the games you use with your students?
Doug - yes Debbie
Mary K&1 - jilli,
yes, but if starvation is the option, they will compete
jilli - Debbie, you
can also do that with the kids crossing arms.
Debbie/PA - tell
me more jilli, not sure I understand
Kathleen - Is there
a need in addition to fostering cooperation to teach children how to survive
[unsuccessful] competition?
jilli - Considering
the amount of ants I see, they work so well together, starvation is not
an issue.
Mary K&1 - Kathleen,
I think so
Doug - Huh- all kids
are walking around the room with their eyes closed. One person is it and
if they touch anyone else they are supposed to say huh. If no answer they
open their eyes and join the end of the "it". All particiapate and if touched
there is a role and no winner or loser is attached because there is a role
cofio - One game
that I have used with is success is to have the kids form two lines and
then one person goes to another and has to say something nice to them and
then that person goes to another or say something they like about that
person Depending on the age of the students I almost always have them tell
me what they are going to say to make sure it is appropriate. I will be
back with another one in just a few minutes as soon as I can type it. This
one is Reversing the Plank
Mary K&1 - I
think that's where problems arise - they don't know who to survive
Debbie/PA - yes,
kathleen but I think they are two completely different issues and need
to be taught in different ways
jilli - Debbie, the
kids might hold a hand with a kid across the circle from them and another
hand with a kid two people away. It's just like your game, but the kids
are the string.
Debbie/PA - Great
jilli, I wrote it down, will use it
Doug - When I was
a student of social psychology- we learned that withholding reward is critical
for people to get lots of things. Kids need to learn to withhold the quick
reward for the bigger one later in the day, week, or life
Debbie/PA - another
game we play... someone leaves the group and changes one thing about his/her
appearance,. Child returns and others have to guess what has been changed
cofio - Another game
is like Twister (can be adapted to any subject easily) For example have
about 6 kids to a group, no more than eight and say something like Right
Hand something Blue and they are to put their right hand on something blue
(or whatever color) you've called on someone in their group. Keep up the
pace and the object is for them to see which group can stand up the longest.
For an academic subject use a tablecloth or old sheet and put what you
want them to learn in different areas (make 9 areas on the sheet so they
will have to stretch) Think of all the things that you can do for Social
Studies (states, capitals, towns,) etc. The kids always seem to enjoy this
one to
Kathleen - We've
entered an age in which there is very little cooperation among people.
The days when kids learned about cooperation in real life situations (ex:
neighbors pitched in to help each other routinely, etc.) Does this create
the need to provide that experience in simulations ("games")?
jilli - Debbie, I'm
going to use that one. It also encourages concentration.
Doug - Kathleen-
my wife right next to me is saying that it is not the schools job........I
think it is
Debbie/PA - sounds
great cofio, I can see amany adaptations with that one in reviewing facts
jilli - Kathleen,
do you think we should teach morals in school?
abbypa - I don't
think you can teach kids morals.
Mary K&1 - We
have to do both with the kids who aren't getting these things at home
Kathleen - wow, jilli,
do you ask that because it's related to competition?
Mary K&1 - If
we don't, who will?
abbypa - I think
you can teach kids about morals, but morals are taught at home.
Doug - Mary- yes
Doug - perhaps we
teach morals even when we don't even know it
Kathleen - I don't
see my point about lack of experiences and opportunities to practice cooperation
being related to teaching morals. Cooperation is a necessary life skill,
no?
Debbie/PA - I think
we ae teaching morals everyday whether we call ist that or not. For e.g.,
no cheating, own up to your responsibility, respect and on and on
Mary K&1 - You
can't lay out rules and expect them to be followed and say thay you are
not teaching morals
jilli - Kathleen,
I'm asking it because whenever something goes wrong, people ask why aren't
the teachers teaching it.
abbypa - We're teaching
ABOUT those things...we're not teaching those things.
Raichu - Oh I know.
One kid goes off to the side, while the others pick a leader and sit in
a circle. The leader starts doing a motion, and the other kids copy it.
The kid not in the circle turns around, then watches the others.The leader
changes motions once in a while and the kid not in the circle has to guess
who is the leader. that's the game
jilli - I think cooperation
is a moral just as honesty is.
jilli - Raichu-I
love that game!
cofio - Being a sub
I operate on three simple "rules" or "responsibilities" if you'd rather
call them that. They are Be Responsible, Be Respectful and Follow all classroom
responsibilities
Debbie/PA - I agree
jilli, cooperating is a choice we make or don't make
Kathleen - I don't
believe in Morals 101, but I believe we "teach" by modeling, and by the
way we set up situations for students, by the rules we list and enforce
Debbie/PA - we actually
teach morals in our school, we call them social skills, our principal has
the whole school concentrating on one such skill for two eeks at a time.
jilli - Kathleen,
I agree. Can cooperative games be a situation a teacher is setting up?
Kathleen - Yes, I
see cooperative games as a situation the teacher sets up.
jilli - Then we agree.
CC - there are some
standard... basic concepts to get along in society... I do not think that
is morals
Mary K&1 - This
has been good food for thought - thanks all and good night
Kathleen - Well,
the hour is over (so quickly!). I think there are enough questions and
interest to have another discussion about competition, cooperation.
Kathleen - Thank
you to everyone who participated. Jilli, thank you for all of the prep
you did to help make this another successful Teachers.Net resource!
jilli - Kathleen,
thank you for organizing this.
Kathleen - Oh! Please
share your games by posting them in the Lessons collection at http://teachers.net/lessons
Thanks!