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Re: "the myth of underpaid teachers" no longer true!
Posted by Elena on 7/22/09

    On 7/21/09, sped wrote:
    > On 7/21/09, maybe I'm bitter wrote:
    >> I'm sorry, but I must say that this sound pretty aggressive. This
    > board exists for people to
    >> be able to freely express their opinions/ feelings. No one is forced
    > to read it.
    >
    > True, and I'm free to express my opinions about their opinions. And,
    > the fact that said poster's opinions include that teachers have no
    > rights anywhere in the country, when in fact teachers have above
    average
    > to excellent employment rights compared to most other professions, I
    > feel it's necessary to bring up a point of reason.
    >
    >> If one has
    >> never been in a situation on the job where they were abused, it's
    >>difficult to understand
    >> someone else's emotions.
    >
    > Ah, but I have. Well, I haven't been "abused," but I have been in
    > situations that were less than ideal, not what I was hired to do, and
    > the people evaluating me kept getting me mixed up with someone else
    > new, in the same department, and who had the same first name (he got
    > non-renewed too... I wonder if one of us didn't deserve it and the
    other
    Dear Sped,

    I found the following statement you made interesting:

    If Bank of America fired you from a branch in NYC, they wouldn't hire
    you in Boston, etc. etc. etc.

    That may be true. However, if you went to Wachovia, they probably
    wouldn't even check your references from Bank of America. If they did,
    they would probably say you worked there and give the dates. You would
    not be blackballed from every bank in the country.

    If you are fired from a school, the information goes down to the
    Professional Standards Office and gets listed in a large database. This
    datebase is available to all schools and districts. I know you deny
    that this is a big problem and talk about how all sorts of people have
    gotten hired from your school who were fired from other schools.
    However, the matter does come up and you have to explain/defend
    yourself. This is totally unfair and it should be illegal for any
    principal to wreak havoc on a teacher's career.

    > did, but they just decided to nix us both because they couldn't sort
    out
    > who was who). I have been non-renewed once, and laid off once. I
    moved
    > on, have taught successfully in an above average suburban Chicago
    > district for years, and am now a sped administrator in that district.
    >
    > Point is, it goes both ways. You're allowed to freely express your
    > opinions, but so is everyone else. That's kind of the point...
    >
    >> The problem with NYC, there is only one board of ed. If you are "let
    > go" with
    >> "discontinuance" from one school, that means you can't be hired by any
    > other of 1500
    >> schools in the city. That seems to me a little harsh. I would've been
    > happy to leave the
    >> school and find a "better fit", but that wasn't given to me as an
    option.
    >
    > Well, if Bank of America fired you at a branch in NYC, they wouldn't
    > hire you in Boston. You live in one big district, that's the way it
    is.
    > If you look at it objectively, as a tax payer and possibly a parent
    who
    > sends kids to the district, why would you want your kid's school to
    hire
    > teachers fired with cause from another school in the district?
    >
    >> I wish the union AT LEAST made "sure all the paperwork and
    > observations are done
    >> correctly" which was not the case.
    >
    > Did you ask them to?
    >
    >> I sincerely hope that misconducts of such nature are
    >> less prevalent outside NYC.
    >
    > They are not. First year (second, third, etc.) teachers get fired
    until
    > they have tenure. I don't know how long that takes in NYC.
    >
    > I don't know your contract or anything about teaching in NY. However,
    > in IL and in my district, you can have good observations and not be
    > rehired. You don't need a reason at all. Now, being terminated with a
    > bar to rehire would take more documentation (though a non-rehire
    > probably isn't getting back into my district even without an official
    > termination, but we're relatively small).
    >

     
     

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