Re: need help !
Posted by No, no, no, no NO! on 7/02/09

On 7/01/09, marilyn wrote:

I assume you also know that after 20 years you
> have no ability to draw unemployment due to the separation of church
> and state.

Ummm, there are so many things wrong with that statement. This varies
by state, but most states exempt MINISTERS OF RELIGION (this includes
nuns, priests, rabbis, etc.) from Unemployment Insurance, but their
non-ministerial employees are entitled to UI. Teachers, secretaries,
custodians, whoever they pay to drive home the victims, uh, alter boys,
after a private session with Father. This was the case in Michigan,
where I worked as an Unemployment Agent. Of course, management (who
usually happen to be ministers) may not know this, or they may be
directly lying to you in hopes that you won't cost them money. Hey, if
they are lying, they can just go in a booth and get absolved. Great
system!

Separation of Church and State... no. That's a legal, Constitutional
concept that keeps religions out of government, not the other way
around. Again, it may vary by state, but you should absolutely apply.
BTW, Unemployment Agents may not know much either. If they say no,
demand to fill out an application anyway and check into the specifics of
the law. All it costs is time, and everyone is entitled to fill out an
application for UI benefits, even if they're likely not eligible. I saw
a couple Agents claim that if you work for a church (in a
non-ministerial capacity), that you couldn't collect. They were either
ill informed or thought they were saving God money or something. Again,
check into the actual text of the law if you're denied and see who are
exempted employees.

This was the final straw that made the entire staff
> gasp...from the 30 year veteral to me at six years. There is no
> seniority system in place either.

There is really no such thing as a "seniority system" without a union
contract and/or in government work. While a non-union employer, like a
private school, could have a "seniority system" if they like, they would
be entitled to break it whenever they like, which would kind of defeat
the purpose.

Posts on this thread, including this one

• need help !, 6/22/09, by ggjal.
• Re: need help !, 6/22/09, by possible reasons.
• Re: need help !, 6/22/09, by Dove.
• Re: need help !, 6/23/09, by sara.
• Re: need help !, 6/26/09, by unCatholic.
• Re: need help !, 7/01/09, by marilyn.
• Re: need help !, 7/01/09, by What?.
• Re: Where in the World Do You Get the Nutty Idea, 7/02/09, by anon.
• Re: need help !, 7/02/09, by sounds crazy but....
• Re: need help !, 7/02/09, by No, no, no, no NO!.
• Re: Where in the World Do You Get the Nutty Idea, 7/02/09, by mark.