On 7/02/09, anon wrote:
> The only reason
> school districts do this is to not have to pay UI, since resigning is
> considered a "quit" by law.
Yep.
Of course there is no guarantee of a "good"
> eval anyway, and doesn't help the teacher anyway, because any teacher
> let go--fired--almost always cannot ever work again in any school
> district in the United States or most private schools because of
> blacklisting by state licensing boards.
What data do you have to support this? Again, you said that you "almost
always cannot ever work again in any school district in the United
States," so I'm sure you have data from nearly 50 states. Not just one
instance of something that happened to you and a couple buddies in one
state, right? Please provide a link to this data.
> Terminated teachers
> very, very rarely make it to an interview and very, very seldom are
> hired elsewhere.
Please provide your data that indicates this staggering number of
terminated teachers who are "very, very seldom" hired. Do you have any?
Probably not. Now, you were maybe never hired elsewhere for whatever
reason, and maybe you've met a few others, but I personally know several
terminated teachers who got jobs. So, my anecdotal evidence matches
yours. Again, any data on this "blacklisting" or actual hard numbers on
people who don't get hired?
>
> It's a giant scandal, teacher terminations,
No its not. I've never heard of it, and I'm in education. Likely no one
outside of education have heard of anything of the sort, so its a very
tiny, tiny scandal at most.
> the vast majority of which
> are not as a result of "incompetence" or harm to kids, but rather as a
> result of vindictive or illegal acts by administrators, and blacklisting
> should be outlawed.
Again, those words like "vast majority" indicate you have some sort of
numbers that prove this, but I'm thinking its just your experience and
people you meet at job fairs. Please provide those numbers and/or links
to the research/data.
> But teachers never organize to fight injustices.
Here are links to two organizations created to fight just what you're
talking about:
www.nea.org
www.aft.org/teachers
> You are never told of the filth in schools and school districts when you
> go for your education degree. The entire system is not about children
> at all but about politics.
Yep. Heck, every professional field is like that. Look at banking. In
some cases banking isn't even about making money. There are ways to work
with pending foreclosures to either minimize loss or actually MAKE money
for the bank instead of taking a home that won't cover the loss and will
sit on the market for two years anyways. Do they do this? Nope. Its all
about following the rules and politics.
>
>
>
> On 7/01/09, marilyn wrote:
>> On 6/26/09, unCatholic wrote:
>>> On 6/23/09, sara wrote:
>>>> This saddens me, that you would be treated in what appears to be
>>>> such an unethical way from a religious institution.
>>>
>>> Huh!?! There are generations of young boys who have been treated
>> in
>>> a VERY unethical way by the Catholic Church. It shouldn't surprise
>>> you at all.
>>>
>>
>> If it is any consolation, the Catholic School I worked for for six
>> years just laid six of us off in May (the Friday of Teacher
>> Appreciation week). It came as a devastating surprise. We were all
>> told we would not be receiving a contract due to economic cutbacks.
>> Four teachers, one secretary,and the cafeteria cook all got the same
>> routine.
>>
>> If I told you 4 of the 6 were 55+ and on the Archdiocesan Insurance
>> Plan, what would you be thinking right now? Exactly. Two lawyers
>> have informed us that it is unethical but not illegal. There you
>> go...the C Church acting unethically. I would agree with one of your
>> respondents, not the first time.
>>
>> We that grew up in the faith have a deep desire, I think, to try and
>> make things right. I assume you also know that after 20 years you
>> have no ability to draw unemployment due to the separation of church
>> and state. This was the final straw that made the entire staff
>> gasp...from the 30 year veteral to me at six years. There is no
>> seniority system in place either.
>>
>> My intent is to hold my head hight and know I gave that school heart
>> and soul and move on. I will NEVER work in a private school system
>> again. I totally understand your pain and loss. MT
