Re: ESL and stateside cert

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"Teaching Categories and Requirements
SPECIAL NOTE: Effective January 2009, DoDEA changed its business
process for rating professional teacher applications. Minimum Academic
Preparation and Requirements and Information, to include State
endorsements (as DoDEA determines comparable to DoDEA's teacher
categories), official transcripts reflecting 50%, (12/24 or 15/30
semester hours) of the course work in the content area, AND
professional teacher education (9/18 semester hours), must be
considered with each position, where applicable.)"

Has anyone with this certification or any certification that is not
accompanied by at least 50% of the required coursework been hire AFTER
January 2009?

On 12/01/12, California Dreamin wrote:
> My CLAD was honored before I was ever hired and that was in 2005.
> All it took was a call to the dept of credentialing to find out
> that I had the cert. DODEA did not waffle on it either. One call
> and I had it immediately! I taught ESL for the first couple years
> I was in DODEA too! This is not a slip. Still in DODEA and all my
> CA certs were honored right away!
>
>
> On 11/30/12, Whatever wrote:
>> While I agree with all of you that Dave is a hemorrhoid on
>> society, I think you need to acknowledge that he has a point
>> about people's past experiences being no longer valid today.
>> Furthermore, it sounds like most people posting that they were
>> given ESL certs based on CLAD alone did it after they were
>> already hired by Dodds to teach something else. Once you're in,
>> it's easier to convince licensure to qualify you, especially if
>> you have a principal pulling favors for you. The same rules
>> don't apply to potential Conus hires.
>>
>> n 11/30/12, in the med wrote:
>>> And I have ESL certification. I tested out in my state and
>>> it was after 1999. I have been here only a few years, but
>>> I have the ESL certification and many others. No
>>> coursework, all state certifications. We are not slipping
>>> through. State certifications are being recognized.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/30/12, Dave wrote:
>>>> MAYBE, ESL was one of the last disciplines to get a
>>>> formal write up, its
>>>> possible at that time you may have received a ESL
>>>> credential back then under some grandfathering
>>>> exception.... SO WHAT... This isnt 1999, it 2012
>>>> (almost 2013) and DODEA has very firm established and
>>>> well documented requirements for ESL teaching
>>>> qualifications. The earlier poster advising someone
>>>> NOW, that they could get a professional DODEA
>>>> certification based on having a CA CLAD endorsement
>>>> alone, without the required course work, is recklessly
>>>> ignorant advice. Some people may slip through the
>>>> cracks but that doesnt mean DODEA cant revoke a
>>>> credential that was issued in error. You would be
>>>> living on borrowed time, and the probability of it
>>>> happening is incredibly small.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/29/12, CA Teacher too wrote:
>>>>> Dave you are wrong. I was hired before you (1999) and
>>>>> state certification could be used for DoDDS
>>>>> certification without credit hours. I did not slip
>>>>> through any cracks. But you are right about the point
>>>>> being after 2009 that you now need at least half the
>>>>> credit if state certified. We are grandfathered in so
>>>>> to speak. If you were right then I must have
>>>>> "slipped through the cracks" on 7 of my 17
>>>>> DoDDS certifications. Seems like the people at HQ
>>>>> don't check credentials carefully.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/29/12, Dave wrote:
>>>>>> No, you slipped through the cracks. Before 2009
>>>>>> there was no half credit hour discount, you needed
>>>>>> ALL the credit hours. Zero hours does not equal any
>>>>>> hours. Certification doesnt equal any hours at all.
>>>>>> You slipped through the cracks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its not a fact, if you "heard" about it.
>>>>>> I have heard similar claims in the last couple of
>>>>>> weeks. Ive also heard there there will be no
>>>>>> transfer round, except for excessed teachers. One
>>>>>> thing ive learned so far is that no one knows until
>>>>>> it happens, and speculating before hand is just a
>>>>>> coping mechanisim for those with time to spare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/29/12, CA Teacher too wrote:
>>>>>>> Dave, No we didn't slip through the cracks. I
>>>>>>> also have zero units in ESL but a CLAD with my
>>>>>>> CALIF MULTIPLE SUBJECT CREDENTIAL and I was also
>>>>>>> certified in ESL by DoDDS. I think the major
>>>>>>> difference is when we were hired. Prior to 2009
>>>>>>> there was no half the hours credit thing at all.
>>>>>>> You could be certified based solely on state
>>>>>>> certification. This is no longer the case. There
>>>>>>> are far too many applicants and fewer and fewer
>>>>>>> DoDDS positions. In fact, I just heard today that
>>>>>>> THERE WILL BE NO CONUS HIRING FOR ANY EUROPEAN
>>>>>>> VACANCY due to the large number of excess
>>>>>>> teachers. Also, it is not a for sure thing that
>>>>>>> there will even be a voluntary transfer program
>>>>>>> this year. It may be only excess teachers who get
>>>>>>> moved. And finally, I heard through the grapevine
>>>>>>> that the "golden handshake" or VISP may
>>>>>>> be offered to retirement eligible teachers to
>>>>>>> make vacancies for the high number of excesses.
>>>>>>> Time will tell. We should hear something in late
>>>>>>> Jan/Feb on how this all plays out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/29/12, Dave wrote:
>>>>>>>> I believe the poster meant "county"
>>>>>>>> courses. these are PD courses offered through
>>>>>>>> an extension program. sometimes you get college
>>>>>>>> credit, sometimes you dont, and sometimes its
>>>>>>>> an option.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its possible the responder has a DODEA ESL
>>>>>>>> certification, but they shouldnt. DODEA
>>>>>>>> requires credit hours earned from an accredited
>>>>>>>> college or university. Being certified means
>>>>>>>> you just need half the required hours. the
>>>>>>>> respondent just slipped through the cracks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/28/12, curious in the midwest wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/28/12, Been there done that wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Someone asked a question about getting ESL
>>>>>>>>>> cert. I have it in CA. Have no coursework.
>>>>>>>>>> Took country courses and the exam which I
>>>>>>>>>> passed with a perfect score. Have had CA
>>>>>>>>>> cert for twenty years. DODEA took my cert
>>>>>>>>>> with no problem at all. THe analyst called
>>>>>>>>>> Sacramento, asked what this authorized me
>>>>>>>>>> to teach, and then immediately contacted me
>>>>>>>>>> and told me it would be no problem at all.
>>>>>>>>>> Do not listen to the naysayers. Have your
>>>>>>>>>> analyst call Sacramento. There are several
>>>>>>>>>> of us from CA, in my school, and we all
>>>>>>>>>> have it. Do it. Pursue it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What are country courses?

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