J

Posted on 6/28/09

Hello there,

Thanks for the reply! I appreciate you taking the time.

I guess what I meant by "trumps" is that having a subject listed
on my state certificate would move me from not being "Not
Qualified" (according to not having the the minimum credit hour
requirements set by the department) into being "State Qualified"
due to the "in leui of rule." Even though I SHOULD be eligible
for consideration according to the rules the woman in HR won't
move me out of "Not Qualified" for General Science even though
it is listed seperate now on my state license! I had to pay $
and take a special test to have it added.

Also...As far as having Integrated Curriculum... I simply gave
up on having that one endorsement accepted but was told having a
subject seperate and added on WOULD count....until I had it
done. I do not have the credit hours but I have the endorsement.
I have pasted below exactly what the website says for both
the "in leui of" and the definition of State Qualified. This is
to other teachers who run into the same thing.

I am sorry about your husband getting passed up. :(

Pasted from the DOD website:

State or Territory Certification/License. In lieu of meeting the
DoDDS minimum qualifications, applicants may be considered and
hired based on a valid state or territory certificate or license
in the subject area for which applying. Educators appointed
based on state or territory certificates may be granted a
Provisional License. A Professional License may be granted upon
completion of all applicable qualification standards as stated
in this brochure and two years of successful teaching experience
with DoDDS.

In addition to the above....

The definition of "State Qualified" currently on the website
specifically notes a person is "State Qualified" in a subject if
they have a state certificate in the subject area being applied
for. I have cut and pasted below the rule directly off your
website in red. Again my certificate falls under this rule:

Not Determined - Your application has not yet been fully
reviewed, please check back later.

State Qualified - You either have a national board or a state
certificate or have an education degree with a major in the
field of the job category for which you are applying. You may
not currently meet all of DoDDS requirements for this job
category. Should you be hired for this job category, you will
have two years to complete all of the requirements.

Qualified - You are qualified for this job category.

Not Qualified - Unfortunately, you do not meet the DoDDS
requirements for this job category.

Thanks for lending an ear... :)

On 6/28/09, dodds para wrote:
> Under the section that talks about categories and
> requirements it clearly states their credit hour
> requirements. I haven't seen anything on their website that
> would indicate a state cert "trumps" the hour requirements.
> The website states that an applicany "may" be hired based on
> state certs.
>
> We ran into that problem last year. Hubby was selected for a
> job, but then passed over because the # 2 person had the
> credit hours and hubby didn't. A state cert without the
> credit hours to back it up will not get you a job with DoDDs.
>
> There is one way around it though. IF you are state certified
> in multiple areas then the credit hour requirements change to
> 12 hours per subject area you are certified in. You would
> have to have clearly labeled state certifications though. If
> DoDDs does not recognize IC then it seems like a moot point?
> What would it take to be certified in the different areas for
> FL?
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> On 6/28/09, J wrote:
>> I am frustrated b/c I have a FL state cert in English and
>> Intergarted Curriculum. IC allows me to teach all subject
>> areas (English,Math,Science, Social Science)Grades 5-9. I
>> submitted and was told that IC was not recognized. I went
>> back to state and "sectioned off" my subjects and re-
>> submitted with General Science added seperate. I planned to
>> add Math etc at a later point (money and time contraints) I
>> STILL was told that the newly added Science was no good
>> since I "tested out." Thing is...the rules CLEARLY state
>> that a state license in the subject area being applied for
>> trumps needing credit hours and that I would have 2 years
>> to get the courses needed. Has anyone else had this
>> problem? I have plead my case several times to deaf ears.
>> How can they ignore their own rules? I keep hearing
>> how "black and white" the HR is about certifications but
>> that is not my experience!

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