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Re: Get training mentally must be absolutely's problem
Posted by Deb ms/IA on 9/27/08

Where did you offer any solution to the OP problem? Where did you
offer any ideas on how to look into and change AR in a school and give
advice for parents? You offered anger at the AR program and on ima
and now on me. Nowhere did I see you offer any solutions to make
learning better.

If you come here and whine and fuss and offer no solutions to problems
that makes you part of the problem. You were given solutions and
things to look into to make changes and you scoffed them off and
insulted the messengers.

I have been a parent of AR first and now the teacher of AR. I can
offer what has worked for me. That's all I did. You are the one full
of anger and not accepting help to make changes.

Grading AR does not make it punitive. It makes it one factor of many
in a reading curriculum. It increases accountability and it is
assessed thus meets standards. AR is not a willy nilly program and
has merits to helping students (you said so your self).

I never claimed to be right or wrong about AR. I gave my advice based
on my 21 years of experience. Use it or not but don't whine and
complain blaming everything on AR.

Any parent has far more credibility when they are willing to work with
the teacher to make appropriate changes in a learning environment. If
you came to me with valid documentation that I was doing something
wrong I would check it out and see if I was. You being a teacher who
uses the program would have far more influence in making change than a
mad mom shaking a finger in my face making accusations and with no
data.

I don't care if you disagree with me. But I don't work at your
daughter's school and I can't make changes for that school. So why
are you mad at me, Ima and AR? So go fix that ms or back off. AR is
not responsible for that ms program. Again your anger is misplaced in
the wrong direction.

So get over it or change it but that's not gonna happen here on this
board.

Deb ms/IA

On 9/27/08, absolutely wrote:
> It's funny how your solution to my daughter's ms is for me to go
> in and tell them how to fix their program by educating myself on
> all the intricacies of AR. As a parent, that is NOT my job. My
> job is to protect my child. Just because you love AR and have
> found a way to implement it to the benefit of every single child
> in your school does not mean other schools or teachers are at your
> level of understanding.
>
> Just because I offer parents and teachers who are experiencing
> troubles with the AR program different advice than yours does not
> mean that I am right and you are wrong or vice versa. Parents and
> teachers need to know that making AR punitive in ANY way stifles
> the love of reading.
>
> My "anger issue" is not my daughter's ms. It is with any program,
> AR included, that uses tracking as a way to pigeonhole kids. I
> agree that most of the problems noted on this chatboard have to do
> with AR being misused. With that being said, fixing the problem
> has several approaches. I approach my advice based on an
> overarching theme of incentive only rather than anything punitive
> to keep the love of reading paramount as the purpose of having an
> AR program.
>
> I'm sure you know as well as I do that any parent trying to get a
> school to change a whole program for their child is ludicrous.
> However, a parent can get a program modified for their child.
> Making sure the program is not perceived as punitive by the parent
> and student is a reasonable goal for a parent to pursue with the
> school. If the school is unwilling to listen (and many are
> because it involves a shift in their thinking or procedures) then
> insisting your child be excused from AR becomes a parent's best
> option. They must not be saddled with the rehab that will follow
> if a child learns to hate reading when this result is completely
> avoidable.
>
> As far as not posting on this board because I choose to disagree
> with you, I believe that is the purpose of a chatboard. We offer
> our ideas and the OP chooses to do what they want to do.


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• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right?, 9/25/08, by Yes, it is correct.
• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right?, 9/25/08, by Ima Teacher, adding to the last post.
• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right?, 9/25/08, by absolutely not with even better reason.
• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right? to absolutely, 9/26/08, by Deb ms/IA.
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• Re: Get training mentality is not only Ima Teacher's, 9/27/08, by Deb ms/IA NOT surrendering to absolutely's ignorance.
• Re: Get training mentality must be Deb's as well, 9/27/08, by absolutely - who feels sorry for her.
• Re: Get training mentality must be Deb's as well, 9/27/08, by LOLOL!!! You're nuts!.
• Re: Ignore the troll. , 9/27/08, by Deb & Ima know their stuff.
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