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Re: Get training mentally must be absolutely's problem
Posted by absolutely on 9/27/08

At least I acknowledged receipt of the message sent by Ima and you. You
do not intend to try to understand my perspective at all. That's okay,
you don't have to and I won't call you names for disagreeing with you
either. Take Care.

On 9/27/08, Deb ms/IA wrote:
> Where did you offer any solution to the OP problem? Where did you
> offer any ideas on how to look into and change AR in a school and give
> advice for parents? You offered anger at the AR program and on ima
> and now on me. Nowhere did I see you offer any solutions to make
> learning better.
>
> If you come here and whine and fuss and offer no solutions to problems
> that makes you part of the problem. You were given solutions and
> things to look into to make changes and you scoffed them off and
> insulted the messengers.
>
> I have been a parent of AR first and now the teacher of AR. I can
> offer what has worked for me. That's all I did. You are the one full
> of anger and not accepting help to make changes.
>
> Grading AR does not make it punitive. It makes it one factor of many
> in a reading curriculum. It increases accountability and it is
> assessed thus meets standards. AR is not a willy nilly program
and
> has merits to helping students (you said so your self).
>
> I never claimed to be right or wrong about AR. I gave my advice
based
> on my 21 years of experience. Use it or not but don't whine and
> complain blaming everything on AR.
>
> Any parent has far more credibility when they are willing to work with
> the teacher to make appropriate changes in a learning environment. If
> you came to me with valid documentation that I was doing something
> wrong I would check it out and see if I was. You being a teacher who
> uses the program would have far more influence in making change than a
> mad mom shaking a finger in my face making accusations and with no
> data.
>
> I don't care if you disagree with me. But I don't work at your
> daughter's school and I can't make changes for that school. So why
> are you mad at me, Ima and AR? So go fix that ms or back off.
AR is
> not responsible for that ms program. Again your anger is misplaced in
> the wrong direction.
>
> So get over it or change it but that's not gonna happen here on this
> board.
>
> Deb ms/IA
>
>
> On 9/27/08, absolutely wrote:
>> It's funny how your solution to my daughter's ms is for me to go
>> in and tell them how to fix their program by educating myself on
>> all the intricacies of AR. As a parent, that is NOT my job. My
>> job is to protect my child. Just because you love AR and have
>> found a way to implement it to the benefit of every single child
>> in your school does not mean other schools or teachers are at your
>> level of understanding.
>>
>> Just because I offer parents and teachers who are experiencing
>> troubles with the AR program different advice than yours does not
>> mean that I am right and you are wrong or vice versa. Parents and
>> teachers need to know that making AR punitive in ANY way stifles
>> the love of reading.
>>
>> My "anger issue" is not my daughter's ms. It is with any program,
>> AR included, that uses tracking as a way to pigeonhole kids. I
>> agree that most of the problems noted on this chatboard have to do
>> with AR being misused. With that being said, fixing the problem
>> has several approaches. I approach my advice based on an
>> overarching theme of incentive only rather than anything punitive
>> to keep the love of reading paramount as the purpose of having an
>> AR program.
>>
>> I'm sure you know as well as I do that any parent trying to get a
>> school to change a whole program for their child is ludicrous.
>> However, a parent can get a program modified for their child.
>> Making sure the program is not perceived as punitive by the parent
>> and student is a reasonable goal for a parent to pursue with the
>> school. If the school is unwilling to listen (and many are
>> because it involves a shift in their thinking or procedures) then
>> insisting your child be excused from AR becomes a parent's best
>> option. They must not be saddled with the rehab that will follow
>> if a child learns to hate reading when this result is completely
>> avoidable.
>>
>> As far as not posting on this board because I choose to disagree
>> with you, I believe that is the purpose of a chatboard. We offer
>> our ideas and the OP chooses to do what they want to do.


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• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right?, 9/25/08, by absolutely not!.
• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right?, 9/25/08, by Yes, it is correct.
• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right?, 9/25/08, by Ima Teacher, adding to the last post.
• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right?, 9/25/08, by absolutely not with even better reason.
• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right? to absolutely, 9/26/08, by Deb ms/IA.
• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right?, 9/26/08, by Compromise....
• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right? to absolutely, 9/26/08, by Wendy.
• Re: Using AR for reading grades--is it right? to absolutely, 9/26/08, by for Wendy from absolutely.
• Re: Wow, "absolutely" . . . , 9/26/08, by Ima Teacher, who has obviously pissed somebody off.
• Re: More for "absolutely" about trainings . . . , 9/26/08, by Ima Teacher, who just can't leave well enough alone tonight.
• Re: Get training mentality is not only Ima Teacher's, 9/26/08, by absolutely.
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• Re: I wave the white flag of surrender. , 9/26/08, by Ima Teacher, who's wasting her time here.
• Re: Get training mentality is not only Ima Teacher's, 9/27/08, by Deb ms/IA NOT surrendering to absolutely's ignorance.
• Re: Get training mentality must be Deb's as well, 9/27/08, by absolutely - who feels sorry for her.
• Re: Get training mentality must be Deb's as well, 9/27/08, by LOLOL!!! You're nuts!.
• Re: Ignore the troll. , 9/27/08, by Deb & Ima know their stuff.
• Re: Get training mentality must be Deb's as well, 9/27/08, by absolutely.
• Re: Ignore the troll. , 9/27/08, by Deb is civil?.
• Re: Get training mentally must be absolutely's problem, 9/27/08, by Deb ms/IA.
• Re: to anon troll, 9/27/08, by Deb ms/IA.
• Re: Get training mentally must be absolutely's problem, 9/27/08, by absolutely.
• Re: to anon troll, 9/27/08, by deb is civil?.
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