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Re: University of Phoenix
Posted by Denise Pokorny on 11/11/07

    On 10/21/06, Donald wrote:
    > I am also curious as to why there is a controversy surrounding UOP.
    > It is not like they are a diploma mill selling degrees for $500 and
    > mailing them to you within one week. As far as the lawsuit involving
    > them and their recruitment practices, these factors do not effect the
    > quality of education at the school. These are just administrative
    > problems. If they were serious problems, UOP would have had their
    > accrediation revoked. Some people are just using this lawsuit as an
    > excuse to bash UOP because they are the largest private university in
    > the country. Whenever someone is the largest, people will always go
    > after them. Just look at Wal Mart.
    >
    > On 10/20/06, Michael Allen wrote:
    >> There seems to be a lot of controversy over the validity of the
    >> University of Phoneix Online degree programs. I do not understand
    >> why. For the most part, people are skeptical about an education that
    >> does not allow you to sit in a classroom and listen to someone
    >> lecture. All that a lecture does is elaborate on the course work
    >> that is being taught. Something that most people do not realize is
    >> that an online degree displays a persons ability to reasearch. Here
    >> is why. I do not have a teacher to readily refer to for step by step
    >> assistance. Don't get my wrong, all of my instructors are available
    >> if needed as they often supply a phone number and email address to
    >> contact them. My point is that instead of listeining to a Charlie
    >> Brown type teacher honking away at something that I do not feel
    >> appealing, I can read the documents for the course, and then
    >> research topics of interest or topics that I do not understand.
    >> Rather than hoping that the teacher and I can effectively
    >> communicate in order to work through the problem I am experienceing,
    >> I can focus a little research on the topic and come up with the
    >> answer. Another point that I would like to make is this. I am
    >> currently pursuing a Business Admin degree and what I am learning
    >> applies directly to my responsibilities as a manager. I have been
    >> able to identify some of my managerial weaknesses and have been able
    >> to make changes that impacts my organization in a positive manner.
    >> The education is sound, if it was not it would not be nationally
    >> accredited. We cannot forget about that. There are organizations out
    >> there that accredit schools so that people will feel confident with
    >> the education that they are receicing. Go ahead and google it, you
    >> will find it to be true. We have all heard of Colin Powell right? He
    >> graduated from some small inner city college in New York, and went
    >> on to lead a successful military and political career. Why do I
    >> bring this up? It does not matter quality of education, what matters
    >> is quality of person. That degree is just a piece of paper that says
    >> you completed school. It gets your foot in the door because it
    >> proves that you have done more than the average high school student.
    >> How you apply your abilites and knowledge is what will make you
    >> successful, not a 4.0 at Harvard. That jsut says that you know how
    >> to study and remember things. Application is the key to success. I
    >> hope this helps with the UOP conversation.
    >> -Michael Allen
    >>
    >>
    >> On 7/14/06, Derek wrote:
    >>> I'm just about to graduate from University of Phoenix with my BSIT
    >>> (just the capstone class left), and I'm trying to decide what to
    >>> do about pursuing a master's degree. UoP currently only offers it
    >>> online, and I don't know what to think about the validity or value
    >>> of an online degree in comparison to classroom based education.
    >>> That's how I sumbled onto this thread during a Google search.
    >>>
    >>> I think that Mike is right about getting out of it what you put
    >>> into it. I also think that basic interest has a lot to do with
    >>> it. I love technology and I really enjoyed the programming
    >>> classes, especially Java 1 & 2, and Web Programming 1 & 2.
    >>> However, those classes were also taught by (in my opinion) the
    >>> best instructors at that campus, which shows that instructor
    >>> quality has a lot to do with maintaining the students' interest.
    >>> Most of the instructors have "real" jobs and are teaching for
    >>> various personal or monetary reasons on the side. They,
    >>> therefore, bring their real-world experience to class with them,
    >>> and that's something you won't get at a typical career-instructor
    >>> school.
    >>>
    >>> It also takes student commitment. Without that, it doesn't matter
    >>> what school you attend -- you probably won't finish, but you'll
    >>> still owe on the loans. My first classes started out with 30+
    >>> students. My last class on EBusiness had just 6 people in it, and
    >>> only 5 finished the class.
    >>>
    >>> Before I started school I wondered why I had to jump through so
    >>> many hoops to get my "piece of paper." After going through the
    >>> process, I see that the true value of a degree program is to
    >>> separate the quitters, slackers, and incompetent people from those
    >>> who will actually be successful in life, and I think that's the
    >>> real value of a degree to an employer. It's a baseline
    >>> reliability and follow-through certification.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 6/13/06, Mike wrote:
    >>>> You will get out of it what you put into it. I have complaints,
    >>>> such as some of the duds in my learning teams, but how is that
    >>>> so different from the real world. If anything, I learned how to
    >>>> deal with dead-beats in a diplomatic fashion. You will find
    >>>> people at EVERY school in the country, around the world for that
    >>>> matter, who are not pleased. My business management degree from
    >>>> UOP helped me get the job I have now. Most people who won't
    >>>> accept a UOP degree don't know anything about it, have
    >>>> preconceived notions about an "on-line" degree, or are
    >>>> prejudiced against the format because they had to beat it out at
    >>>> a brick-n-mortar university. Do the math. Did you see Good Will
    >>>> Hunting? Speaking to a elitest Harvard student, the character,
    >>>> Will, says "You dropped $150,000 on an education you could have
    >>>> gotten with $1.50 in late charges at the public library." This
    >>>> is probably not far from the truth.
    >>>>
    >>>> Ever heard the phrase: "Do your own think!" Don't be swayed by
    >>>> public opinion. If it feels right to you, then move forward. Ask
    >>>> the nay-sayers to submit proof for the feelings, and you will
    >>>> find that they are unsubstantiated.
    >>>> On 4/26/06, Frank wrote:
    >>>>> On 7/07/05, Florita King wrote:
    >>>>>> Hi,
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I was warned about Phoenix by several people. Go to
    >>>>>> ripoffreport.com and you'll see a mass of complaints about
    >>>>>> the school.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Good luck!.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Florita
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 6/16/05, John wrote:
    >>>>>>> I am currentlty attending the University of Phoenix's
    >>>>>>> program for IT. I have not been 100&37; satisfied. I have
    >>>>>>> been doing some pretty heavy research trying to find some
    >>>>>>> alternate opinions on the quality of education, and the
    >>>>>>> recognition of degrees provided by other educational
    >>>>>>> bodies and employers, by the UoP. Some factors I have in
    >>>>>>> my favor, is although I am employed full time, I am still
    >>>>>>> in my 20's (for a bit longer :) , I have no family, and no
    >>>>>>> children. I feel that I may be selling myself short if I
    >>>>>>> continue on my current path. While I really want my
    >>>>>>> degree, I want to be proud of the name, and I want to work
    >>>>>>> my tail off getting it. Your opinions and advice are
    >>>>>>> greatly appreciated!
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>

     
     

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