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    Re: trouble with student...need advise


    mART

    Posted on 11/03/09

    thank you so much for all the advise! I appreciate it so much and I feel
    more prepared to deal with this tomorrow.
    thanks again!

    On 11/03/09, Josie wrote:
    > Yikes, Definitely some sort of intervention is needed here, but with 3
    > days left....really not a whole lot you can do but just get through.
    >
    > If you have her again next year (God forbid! LOL) set herself up to
    > succeed by forming a relationship with her right off the bat. Get to
    > know her as much as you can. Get her involved in the art room on day
    > one: Could she help you load the kiln in the morning if she's there
    > early, or after school? Hook her in with something fun though---
    > You'd "pay" her for her time by teaching her how to use the pottery
    > wheel, or make something extra out of clay. Give her a job with some
    > responsibility attached---she will hopefully want to rise to the
    > occassion. This will also give you one on one time together so you can
    > do some bonding with her. Yes, it is taking lots of your time now, but
    > it will be well worth it if you can get her to a point when all you
    > have to do is give her a look and she'll behave.... just because she
    > doesn't want to let you down. Now THAT would be a glorious day~ lol
    > However, while you are waiting for this magical thing to happen, you
    > need to do damage control in the classroom.
    >
    > If things start to progress to the point that you are at now, then I
    > would sit her down alone and explain that while you might have let this
    > behavior continue last year, you will not allow it to go on this year.
    > You may want to acknowledge that you did allow more than you will allow
    > this year so she knows right off the bat that "times they are
    > a'changing." Tell her there will be a consequence each and every time
    > she misbehaves (stay consistent.... you could take her stick the first
    > time (or whatever behavior modification technique you use in the room)
    > and the next time, move her seat. If she carries on, silently put a
    > note down (I used to pre-print them when I had a student like this---a
    > boy, a couple years back) that says "next reminder will be lunch with
    > me." TRY not to call attention to your 'reminders'---quickly deliver
    > the reminder (as you continue to teach) and walk away as to not engage
    > her in a power struggle.
    >
    > I really like lunch detentions because:
    > 1.) They REALLY inconvenience the student: The last thing they want is
    > to lose out on that social time
    > 2.) They are fairly immediate (unless you have her after lunch...
    > hopefully you do not!) because the consequence is served many times a
    > period or two later.
    > 3.) They give you a chance to mentor/talk with the student one on one.
    > This is the only way to reach many of them, and many times there simply
    > isn't enough time in the day to get to know them. Lunch detentions
    > give you that opportunity. Cleaning the room together is a great way
    > to keep busy and talk at the same time.... Ask her to help clean
    > brushes. Most kids don't like to sit there anyway and would rather
    > have a task. If she's really angry, she may say no. Don't act mad, or
    > disappointed.... simply say "ok---no problem, you may just sit---just
    > thought I'd throw it out there if you were bored" and then YOU continue
    > to clean some brushes. The next time, I bet she'll take you up on it
    > if you ask in the same non threatening manner. She will be more apt to
    > chat with you if you are both busy in a task--- it will be less
    > intimidating than if you're sitting at your desk asking her questions.
    >
    > This is likely to work if:
    > 1.) You are consistent: She ALWAYS receives this consequence when she
    > acts up. You are giving her warnings, and SHE has the ultimate power
    > to decide whether or not she'll take that last step and get the
    > detention. One thing is for sure, if she does decide to go there,
    > there will indeed be a consequence. That never changes.
    >
    > 2.)You do not engage in any power play with her. Do not argue, do not
    > get mad. Stay in control of the situation, but do not let her push
    > your buttons. If she refuses a consequence (Like she will most likely
    > say something like "I'm not going to your stupid lunch detention" if
    > you have to assign her one) Do not argue with her. Keep it short "Now
    > there's a choice you can make. Life IS full of choices." Deliver
    > (pleasantly) and walk AWAY. Do not engage her. Do not worry about
    > what it looks like to the class.... if you are confident and are not
    > rattled, they will know that you are not letting her get away with
    > anything. YOU are in control of the situation-- and the consequence
    > that awaits sweet "jane" is something you will be keeping to yourself.
    >
    > 3.)You are able to form some sort of a bond with her.
    >
    > You will have to get your administrator on board---and explain what you
    > are doing, because there will need to be a consequence if she does not
    > show up for your detention. I used to have to go down to the cafeteria
    > and get "James" the first couple of times. The principal would be
    > there monitoring lunch which worked out great because he made sure
    > James came back with me. James soon got tired of that long awkward
    > walk back to the room with me, and started showing up on his own. This
    > was ideal (rather than having the principal assign an in school
    > suspension etc. for skipping) because it showed James that he was not
    > going to get out of my detention. It couldn't be 'replaced' with
    > something else. After a while, he just resolved himself to the fact
    > that I was relentless, and it wasn't worth the extra effort to resist.
    >
    > Of course the bummer is that you don't get to eat with the teachers,
    > but it really is a small price to pay to make your life less miserable
    > (and face it, it's close to miserable when you have a student like that
    > in class!)
    >
    > Good luck! Kids like this can really be frustrating, and you may not
    > see improvement for quite some time. There is no quick fix
    > unfortunately and there will be days you think you're making progress
    > only to back-slide again. Don't get discouraged---don't give up, just
    > do what you can do and go easy on yourself. There often is not
    > one "right answer" in handling these kinds of kids---they do keep us on
    > our toes don't they? I often think that God sends them our way to keep
    > things interesting, keep us humble, and challenge us to be better
    > teachers. JUST when I think I've got it all figured out, in
    > walks "Brandon" and teaches me that I still have a lot to learn. :)


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  • trouble with student...need advise, 11/02/09, by mART.
  • Re: trouble with student...need advise, 11/02/09, by Jean Bullock..
  • Re: trouble with student...need advise, 11/02/09, by mART.
  • Re: trouble with student...need advise, 11/03/09, by metalrho.
  • Re: trouble with student...need advise, 11/03/09, by Josie.
  • Re: trouble with student...need advise, 11/03/09, by mART.
  • Re: trouble with student...need advise, 11/04/09, by spluckygirl.
  • Re: trouble with student...need advise, 11/05/09, by spluckygirl.

     
     

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