First of all, I'm not the one who had anything to do with the
incident. I was agreeing with the teacher who did.

Second, I LOVE my job and love my kids. I cried today as they
left. You have no idea how I teach my class because you are not
there. You have no business judging me.

I discipline my students in a fair way. I'm not perfect and i
make mistakes. But my conscience is clear.

I'm glad that you do not need parent or principal support. That is
you. Every teacher does what they deem best. Some of us include
parents and principals some don't. I'm not saying either is wrong.
It is entirely up to the teacher. I don't judge you for how you
handle your classroom. Every classroom is different.

#4 How do you know that someone doesn't like teaching? hmmm

If you agree so much with what you say why are you posting
anonymously?

On 6/18/09, the real real world wrote:
> \
>>>
>>>> What I was speaking to directly was that sort of
>>>> negative energy relished by the fashion mag OP and a
>>>> few of her first responders - 'I took away the
>>>> student's magazines and used them for mulch, and then
>>>> her mom came in and MAJORLY SHAMED AND PUNISHED HER.
>
>
> What did the mom coming in do about the negative energy? I get
> that now this kid doesn't bring fashion mags out anymore
> but how did this get rid of the negative energy? Indeed, some
> kids do relish negative energy and they embrace conflict with
> teachers but taking away their tools doesn't get rid of the
> negative energy.
> Nor does a Mom coming in and shaming a kid in that way - that
> would only create even more negative energy.
>
> Of course there are some kids who would turn and say "Ms. Smith
> means business. She called my Mom and my Mom came... " but that
> requires that a kid and a Mom have a decent relationship - by no
> means is that true for all kids and Moms.
>
> It's a Happy Teacher Story - it's got that edge of hey, we still
> have our mojo - all we need is parents to back us up. And if
> that works, that's great. I haven't made a parent phone call in
> 15 years and it's done wonders for my classroom. I pretend I
> don't have a principal ( I wish I didn't) and it's me and them.
> When I raised my own two kids, I didn't have a principal backing
> me up. I had to do it on my own and I do it on my own without
> parents or principals in my classroom.
>
> Why did you give the magazines back??? I understand giving them
> back the first time but when they gave you a rough time handing
> them over the second time - why did you give them back? You
> invited this conflict with these kids - don't get me wrong, I'm
> not trying to place blame but let's thing about what could be
> done differently.
>
> There's a lot to this story that doesn't make good sense - sorry.
> You made mistakes here and you needed backup. You're trying to
> put this out as a victory but it wasn't - you had to call for
> reinforcements because of the mistakes you made.
>
> 1. Where's the negative energy coming from and why? The magazines
> are just a tool - they don't create the negative energy. Why are
> these kids looking to create that in your classroom? You can't
> stifle negative energy - it's poison and I don't hear you doing
> anything about it but celebrating that the mother came in with a
> whole boatload of more negative energy.
>
> 2. Unless of course you're going for the kind of classroom that's
> seething, quiet negative energy - so long as you all sit still
> and be quiet, we can mutually hate each other in the quiet.
> That's fine but nobody's learning anything in that kind of
> negative energy but then nobody's getting beat up either and in
> some schools sadly you've got to settle for that. I'd say I'm
> sorry you're in that kind of school but...
>
> 3. You must teach in a pretty interesting in between kind of
> school really - in some schools doing what you did would get your
> tires slashed on a good day and one angry teenage girl coming at
> you the next day when slashing your tires hadn't expelled enough
> of her negative energy. You're clearly not going for a learning
> environment but your kids can be sufficiently controlled - with
> parent help - to sit still.
>
> 4. You might not be in the right school yet because it doesn't
> sound like you like teaching - or your kids - though tough
> teenage girls with attitude can be tough to take.
> 5.Good luck with it all.

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