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    Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...)
    Posted by: Tom on 10/19/09

    One of the main points Patrick Welsh (teacher) makes in that
    piece is this: The reason African American kids (as a group)
    display an educational achievement gap is that they don't
    have fathers at home.

    I propose that this is likely a case of correlation rather
    than causation. Here's why...

    1. If you did a study of ALL kids who are growing up in
    fatherless homes, this hypotheses would suggest findings
    commensurate with current African American achievement. So,
    MOST kids without fathers - regardless of socio-economic
    status or ethnic identity - would have similar test scores. I
    seriously doubt that this is true. My guess that the
    achievement of fatherless kids will break down according to
    socio-economic strati, and not ethnic or racial. (Anyone want
    to research this?)

    2. After reading Paul Tough's book on Geoffrey
    Canada, "Whatever It Takes: Geoffrey Canada's Quest to Change
    Harlem and America," I propose a different hypotheses: The
    reason African American kids (as a group) don't do as well as
    Caucasian and Latino kids is that a greater percentage of
    them are in a lower socio-economic class. AND the values of
    that class DO NOT INCLUDE reading and reasoning with kids
    from a very early age. As Geoffrey Canada found out,
    the "middle class values" of lots of talking, lots of
    reading, lots of questioning, lots of discussion designed to
    impart curiousity and thinking skills ... well, these values
    are simply not held by most people in the lowest socio-
    economic groups.

    3. To create more educational success in the African American
    community in Harlem, Geoffrey Canada has created parenting
    programs which actually teach those middle class values to
    the parents in each home. And it seems to be having a
    profound impact.

    So, my guess is that the African American students in Patrick
    Welsh's classes were not read to when they were young, and
    were not intellectually stimulated by a parent who held the
    development of their child's thinking skills to be of
    paramount value. Most kids with home backgrounds like this
    will come to kindergarten WAY unprepared, and will have an
    extremely difficult time catching up. Without the bedrock of
    reading and thought development, they simply flounder in
    deeper and deeper water with each new grade level. By the
    time they get to high school (IF they get to high school),
    their competence and confidence levels are incredibly ... and
    oh-so-frustratingly low.

    Incidentally, one of the other points in Welsh's article
    relates to the lack of "discipline" created by the lack of a
    father in the home. Ironically, the other major difference
    that Canada found in Harlem is the TYPE of "discipline" that
    these parents were using. The Harlem parents were doing a lot
    of hitting/spanking and shouting, and NOT the middle class-
    valued behaviors such as emotional coaching, time outs,
    reasoning, helping the kid develop an understanding and
    different coping strategies so they can "do it differently
    next time...."

    Again, it's associated with class and not skin color, with
    the middle class discipline structure imparting skills with
    support success at school, and the lower class structure
    throwing mental/emotional roadblocks to that same success.
    And simply having a father in the home to deliver MORE of
    that ineffective discipline (louder shouting, harder hitting)
    will likely just make things worse.

    All my best,

    Tom


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  • check this out - Washington Post opinion piece by veteran te, 10/19/09, by pixie.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/19/09, by Tom.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/19/09, by pixie.
  • Re: WA Post response (4 Pixie), 10/19/09, by Tom.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/20/09, by DL.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/21/09, by pixie.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/27/09, by Leah.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/27/09, by Tom.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/29/09, by Steve.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/29/09, by Steve.

     
     

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