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    Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...)
    Posted by: pixie on 10/19/09

    Tom,
    Thanks for your thoughtful response.
    I attempted to reply but my response was sent for review, for
    some unknown reason.
    Pixie

    On 10/19/09, Tom wrote:
    > One of the main points Patrick Welsh (teacher) makes in that
    > piece is this: The reason African American kids (as a group)
    > display an educational achievement gap is that they don't
    > have fathers at home.
    >
    > I propose that this is likely a case of correlation rather
    > than causation. Here's why...
    >
    > 1. If you did a study of ALL kids who are growing up in
    > fatherless homes, this hypotheses would suggest findings
    > commensurate with current African American achievement. So,
    > MOST kids without fathers - regardless of socio-economic
    > status or ethnic identity - would have similar test scores. I
    > seriously doubt that this is true. My guess that the
    > achievement of fatherless kids will break down according to
    > socio-economic strati, and not ethnic or racial. (Anyone want
    > to research this?)
    >
    > 2. After reading Paul Tough's book on Geoffrey
    > Canada, "Whatever It Takes: Geoffrey Canada's Quest to Change
    > Harlem and America," I propose a different hypotheses: The
    > reason African American kids (as a group) don't do as well as
    > Caucasian and Latino kids is that a greater percentage of
    > them are in a lower socio-economic class. AND the values of
    > that class DO NOT INCLUDE reading and reasoning with kids
    > from a very early age. As Geoffrey Canada found out,
    > the "middle class values" of lots of talking, lots of
    > reading, lots of questioning, lots of discussion designed to
    > impart curiousity and thinking skills ... well, these values
    > are simply not held by most people in the lowest socio-
    > economic groups.
    >
    > 3. To create more educational success in the African American
    > community in Harlem, Geoffrey Canada has created parenting
    > programs which actually teach those middle class values to
    > the parents in each home. And it seems to be having a
    > profound impact.
    >
    > So, my guess is that the African American students in Patrick
    > Welsh's classes were not read to when they were young, and
    > were not intellectually stimulated by a parent who held the
    > development of their child's thinking skills to be of
    > paramount value. Most kids with home backgrounds like this
    > will come to kindergarten WAY unprepared, and will have an
    > extremely difficult time catching up. Without the bedrock of
    > reading and thought development, they simply flounder in
    > deeper and deeper water with each new grade level. By the
    > time they get to high school (IF they get to high school),
    > their competence and confidence levels are incredibly ... and
    > oh-so-frustratingly low.
    >
    > Incidentally, one of the other points in Welsh's article
    > relates to the lack of "discipline" created by the lack of a
    > father in the home. Ironically, the other major difference
    > that Canada found in Harlem is the TYPE of "discipline" that
    > these parents were using. The Harlem parents were doing a lot
    > of hitting/spanking and shouting, and NOT the middle class-
    > valued behaviors such as emotional coaching, time outs,
    > reasoning, helping the kid develop an understanding and
    > different coping strategies so they can "do it differently
    > next time...."
    >
    > Again, it's associated with class and not skin color, with
    > the middle class discipline structure imparting skills with
    > support success at school, and the lower class structure
    > throwing mental/emotional roadblocks to that same success.
    > And simply having a father in the home to deliver MORE of
    > that ineffective discipline (louder shouting, harder hitting)
    > will likely just make things worse.
    >
    > All my best,
    >
    > Tom


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  • check this out - Washington Post opinion piece by veteran te, 10/19/09, by pixie.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/19/09, by Tom.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/19/09, by pixie.
  • Re: WA Post response (4 Pixie), 10/19/09, by Tom.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/20/09, by DL.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/21/09, by pixie.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/27/09, by Leah.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/27/09, by Tom.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/29/09, by Steve.
  • Re: WA Post response (Obama was fatherless...), 10/29/09, by Steve.

     
     

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