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Re: A question.
Posted by ACP on 5/17/08
Swilley, I have to say I am a fan of yours. You frequently post well thought out answers with good food for thought. But this time I haven't a clue what you are saying. The same power as the Governor or the President? Man! I hope you will agree that there is a huge difference between pardoning a convicted person when evidence or arguments suggest it needs to be done, and passing a kid who has failed to perform an entire school year just -- because. Let's face it, there are ad hoc quotas for everything in education. Only so many can be sent to alternative schools, only so many can fail each six weeks, only so many can fail for the year, we feel morally obligated not to fail a student more than once in his/her career. This isn't a question about pardoning a convict, it is about making sure students have what they need to be successful in life. I do agree a great deal with your second post. We definitely need multiple paths for students. We as a society, and educators in particular, have bought into the idea that everyone needs a college education to be successful in life. Down that path we blindly go. The fact is that I know many people who make twice as much with a 9th or 10th grade education, or less, than I do with a college degree. They are plumbers, electricians, house framers, pool builders, landscapers, photographers, chefs, gutter installers, window installers, siding installers. The fact is with our outsourced society, the path to success is not nearly as much through degrees and knowledge as it is through willingness to work and specialized knowledge. Employers do not want nor need as many college grads as they once did. They want people who can think, follow directions, speak coherently, and are willing to start for a reasonable salary and work in a position for many years without thinking they deserve the world. I am not going to argue the value or ethics of today's business model but it is what it is. Yes college grads still have more options, more earning potential, and a higher probability of longterm success, but not every child is capable or motivated to go this route. Why should we not recognize this and give them other avenues so they have some chance for success. Our current path of no options and losing 50% to dropout apparently isn't working.
Posts on this thread, including this one
- Administrators changing seniors grades!, 5/15/08, by BMoreTeacher.
- Re: Administrators changing seniors grades!, 5/15/08, by Rodeo.
- Re: A question. , 5/16/08, by L. Swilley .
- Re: Further on this interesting case , 5/16/08, by L. Swilley .
- Re: NCLB, 5/16/08, by LbP.
- Re: A question. , 5/16/08, by What????.
- Re: NCLB, 5/16/08, by Rodeo.
- Re: A question. , 5/17/08, by ACP.
- Re: Thanks, ACP, 5/17/08, by L. Swilley .
- Re: Administrators changing seniors grades!, 5/17/08, by Sara.
- Re: NCLB, 5/17/08, by to Rodeo.
- Re: Further on this interesting case / completely agree, 5/17/08, by Sara.
- Re: Thanks, ACP, 5/17/08, by ACP.
- Re: Further on this interesting case , 5/17/08, by I agree.
- Re: A question. , 5/17/08, by To ACP.
- Re: A question. , 5/17/08, by ACP.
- Re: Administrators changing seniors grades!, 5/17/08, by BMorePeachy.
- Re: Administrators changing seniors grades!, 5/17/08, by think of the workplace.
- Re: Administrators changing seniors grades!, 5/18/08, by high school English teacher.
- Re: This very interesting and very important thread, 5/18/08, by L. Swilley .
- Re: A question - tracking students early on , 5/18/08, by BTrack.
- Re: Administrators changing seniors grades!, 5/18/08, by history teacher.
- Re: This very interesting and very important thread, 5/18/08, by history teacher.
- Re: This very interesting and very important thread, 5/18/08, by BMoreTeacher .
- Re: Administrators changing seniors grades!, 5/18/08, by history teacher.
- Re: This very interesting and very important thread, 5/19/08, by Catsister.
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