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    Re: Year round high schools. Even so...
    Posted by: ACP on 11/04/09

    Here is an article that talks about the history of our
    school year.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2170230/

    There is no question in my mind that a longer school year is
    certainly being considered by many as the panacea of what
    ails public education. I am not so sure and am quite
    skeptical about all of the unscientific research and
    assertions that are being made as if they are facts. It
    happens all of the time. We see it with mainstreaming,
    differentiated instruction, grade inflation, homework, etc.
    So far, none of these programs have created sustainable and
    far reaching improvement in educational performance. What
    does work is smaller classrooms, deeper teaching, less focus
    on tests, more hands on and long-term projects, holding
    students accountable for behavior and performance. But
    unfortunately, these fixes take money and there isn't. So
    we will continue to search for superficial fixes to the 25:1
    or 30:1 classrooms that don't work.

    It seems intuitive that longer school days and more of them
    should improve performance. Well definitely maybe! But
    there are a lot of variables involved and one must determine
    if changing one of them (distribution of school days
    throughout the year) will overcome all of the others. It is
    difficult to answer, especially when money is involved and
    different groups all have their own agendas. The homework
    myth is a great example. It is intuitive that more homework
    will help a child learn more in less time. Really? There
    has even been some research fabricated and twisted to try to
    prove this out. But when one really looks at all of this
    research, one finds that the conclusions being perpetrated
    upon us just aren't supported.

    If your assertion is true, we must ask, "Why did students of
    the past supposedly learned more and did better when they
    too had summers off?" The response is first, "Are we sure
    they did?" If we find this to be true, we must then ask,
    "What changed to make today's students perform worse under
    the same conditions?"

    There are numerous variables in play here. We all seem to
    agree that the state of public education is dismal and that
    students are not leaving public education with the basic
    skills and knowledge they need. OK, if we accept this, we
    must ask ourselves why and what can we do about it. My
    theory is simple: Children today are not growing up with the
    cognitive development stimulation they were in the past.
    They no longer have parents reading to them. They no longer
    help dad work on the car, mow the lawn, farm the farm, build
    things. They no longer cook with mom, do the laundry with
    mom, sew with mom, feed the chickens and milk the cows with
    mom. These activities are what helped students early on
    develop "common sense" and cognitive skills about how the
    world works and how things fit together. This lack of
    fundamental skills is what creates difficulty for students
    when we attempt to link concrete skills to abstract
    concepts. These connections are simply lacking along with
    the moral values, self respect, and work ethics.

    So your assertion is that if we lengthen the school day or
    school year or parse it up differently, that we will
    overcome all of these issues and our students will learn. I
    happen to disagree. Unless the extra time in school is spent
    overcoming the gaps in moral values and cognitive skills,
    nothing will change. And invariably, nothing changes in the
    way we instruct our kids. We rely on the same old
    philosophies that if we spend more time in math class,
    students will learn more math. If we spend more time in
    reading class, students will read better. If we spend more
    time cramming 30 kids into a classroom with a single teacher
    doing the same old things, that our students will develop
    better moral values. In my opinion, this is as ridiculous
    as saying if we double the amount of mandatory professional
    development time for teachers, they will automatically
    become better teachers. Not true!

    We can debate AYP, NCLB, and standardized tests all day
    long. And you are right about one thing - if we don't make
    AYP (Which I predict most schools will not) something will
    happen. We can count on that. But the changes will not
    result in something better and will not do anything to
    improve the condition of our children. They will simply be
    changes based on pseudo-research that gives the perception
    of doing something. All schools are tasked with assuring
    100% of students are passing minimum standards by 2014 (I
    believe). It ain't going to happen! And I am not talking
    about just the poor inner city schools. Even the so called
    "finest" schools in our district are struggling around the
    90% mark. So we will see what will happen. You can bet
    something will. And it probably will not be good.


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  • Year round high schools, 10/30/09, by Mark.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 10/31/09, by Nikki.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 10/31/09, by Zhel.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Great Ideas, where wanted, 10/31/09, by MM.
  • Re: Our school's doing it, here our the complaints and , 11/01/09, by justifications from public forum meeting (long).
  • Re: Our school's doing it, here our the complaints and , 11/01/09, by Trivialize It.
  • Re: Our school's doing it, here our the complaints and , 11/01/09, by MM.
  • Re: Our school's doing it, here our the complaints and , 11/01/09, by Trivialize It.
  • Re: Our school's doing it, here our the complaints and , 11/01/09, by to triavilze it.
  • Re: school choice, 11/01/09, by Connie.
  • Re: school choice, 11/01/09, by ACP.
  • Re: anon on this one because Walt Disney world is , 11/02/09, by defintiely not an educational reason to switch.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/03/09, by Melissa Josef.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/03/09, by ACP.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Even so..., 11/03/09, by MM.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Even so..., 11/03/09, by Joella.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Even so..., 11/03/09, by lbp.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Even so..., 11/04/09, by ACP.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Good Post, ACP. Thanks, 11/04/09, by MM.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Even so..., 11/07/09, by Agree with ACP here.
  • Re: Year round high schools. , 11/07/09, by need actually names of research.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/11/09, by Julianna.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/12/09, by MN teacher.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/13/09, by ACP.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/15/09, by MN teacher.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/16/09, by Erin H.

     
     

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