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    Re: Year round high schools. Good Post, ACP. Thanks
    Posted by: MM on 11/04/09

    On 11/04/09, ACP wrote:
    > Here is an article that talks about the history of our
    > school year.
    >
    > http://www.slate.com/id/2170230/
    >
    > There is no question in my mind that a longer school year is
    > certainly being considered by many as the panacea of what
    > ails public education. I am not so sure and am quite
    > skeptical about all of the unscientific research and
    > assertions that are being made as if they are facts. It
    > happens all of the time. We see it with mainstreaming,
    > differentiated instruction, grade inflation, homework, etc.
    > So far, none of these programs have created sustainable and
    > far reaching improvement in educational performance. What
    > does work is smaller classrooms, deeper teaching, less focus
    > on tests, more hands on and long-term projects, holding
    > students accountable for behavior and performance. But
    > unfortunately, these fixes take money and there isn't. So
    > we will continue to search for superficial fixes to the 25:1
    > or 30:1 classrooms that don't work.
    >
    > It seems intuitive that longer school days and more of them
    > should improve performance. Well definitely maybe! But
    > there are a lot of variables involved and one must determine
    > if changing one of them (distribution of school days
    > throughout the year) will overcome all of the others. It is
    > difficult to answer, especially when money is involved and
    > different groups all have their own agendas. The homework
    > myth is a great example. It is intuitive that more homework
    > will help a child learn more in less time. Really? There
    > has even been some research fabricated and twisted to try to
    > prove this out. But when one really looks at all of this
    > research, one finds that the conclusions being perpetrated
    > upon us just aren't supported.
    >
    > If your assertion is true, we must ask, "Why did students of
    > the past supposedly learned more and did better when they
    > too had summers off?" The response is first, "Are we sure
    > they did?" If we find this to be true, we must then ask,
    > "What changed to make today's students perform worse under
    > the same conditions?"
    >
    > There are numerous variables in play here. We all seem to
    > agree that the state of public education is dismal and that
    > students are not leaving public education with the basic
    > skills and knowledge they need. OK, if we accept this, we
    > must ask ourselves why and what can we do about it. My
    > theory is simple: Children today are not growing up with the
    > cognitive development stimulation they were in the past.
    > They no longer have parents reading to them. They no longer
    > help dad work on the car, mow the lawn, farm the farm, build
    > things. They no longer cook with mom, do the laundry with
    > mom, sew with mom, feed the chickens and milk the cows with
    > mom. These activities are what helped students early on
    > develop "common sense" and cognitive skills about how the
    > world works and how things fit together. This lack of
    > fundamental skills is what creates difficulty for students
    > when we attempt to link concrete skills to abstract
    > concepts. These connections are simply lacking along with
    > the moral values, self respect, and work ethics.
    >
    > So your assertion is that if we lengthen the school day or
    > school year or parse it up differently, that we will
    > overcome all of these issues and our students will learn. I
    > happen to disagree. Unless the extra time in school is spent
    > overcoming the gaps in moral values and cognitive skills,
    > nothing will change. And invariably, nothing changes in the
    > way we instruct our kids. We rely on the same old
    > philosophies that if we spend more time in math class,
    > students will learn more math. If we spend more time in
    > reading class, students will read better. If we spend more
    > time cramming 30 kids into a classroom with a single teacher
    > doing the same old things, that our students will develop
    > better moral values. In my opinion, this is as ridiculous
    > as saying if we double the amount of mandatory professional
    > development time for teachers, they will automatically
    > become better teachers. Not true!
    >
    > We can debate AYP, NCLB, and standardized tests all day
    > long. And you are right about one thing - if we don't make
    > AYP (Which I predict most schools will not) something will
    > happen. We can count on that. But the changes will not
    > result in something better and will not do anything to
    > improve the condition of our children. They will simply be
    > changes based on pseudo-research that gives the perception
    > of doing something. All schools are tasked with assuring
    > 100% of students are passing minimum standards by 2014 (I
    > believe). It ain't going to happen! And I am not talking
    > about just the poor inner city schools. Even the so called
    > "finest" schools in our district are struggling around the
    > 90% mark. So we will see what will happen. You can bet
    > something will. And it probably will not be good.


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  • Year round high schools, 10/30/09, by Mark.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 10/31/09, by Nikki.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 10/31/09, by Zhel.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Great Ideas, where wanted, 10/31/09, by MM.
  • Re: Our school's doing it, here our the complaints and , 11/01/09, by justifications from public forum meeting (long).
  • Re: Our school's doing it, here our the complaints and , 11/01/09, by Trivialize It.
  • Re: Our school's doing it, here our the complaints and , 11/01/09, by MM.
  • Re: Our school's doing it, here our the complaints and , 11/01/09, by Trivialize It.
  • Re: Our school's doing it, here our the complaints and , 11/01/09, by to triavilze it.
  • Re: school choice, 11/01/09, by Connie.
  • Re: school choice, 11/01/09, by ACP.
  • Re: anon on this one because Walt Disney world is , 11/02/09, by defintiely not an educational reason to switch.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/03/09, by Melissa Josef.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/03/09, by ACP.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Even so..., 11/03/09, by MM.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Even so..., 11/03/09, by Joella.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Even so..., 11/03/09, by lbp.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Even so..., 11/04/09, by ACP.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Good Post, ACP. Thanks, 11/04/09, by MM.
  • Re: Year round high schools. Even so..., 11/07/09, by Agree with ACP here.
  • Re: Year round high schools. , 11/07/09, by need actually names of research.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/11/09, by Julianna.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/12/09, by MN teacher.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/13/09, by ACP.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/15/09, by MN teacher.
  • Re: Year round high schools, 11/16/09, by Erin H.

     
     

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