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    Re: Beyond pemdas Thanks Burt
    Posted by: Cindy on 6/24/09

    Thanks! That is very informative and interesting. I believe I will be
    getting that book.

    On 6/24/09, Burt wrote:
    >>on 6/24/09 wrote:
    >>could you go into more detail of the Germany model? I find this
    >>very interesting.
    >
    > What I understand about the way the German lessons tend to be is
    > that the teachers explain everything in detail and the students
    > mostly listen and ask questions if they do not understand. For
    > example, in our country teachers tend to demonstrate a procedure
    > and then have the students practice applying that procedure on the
    > same type of problems. In Germany, the teacher would not just
    > demonstrate but derive that procedure, explaining why it works and
    > when it is used. The math is more advanced than in our country.
    > That is why the description is “developing advanced procedures.”
    > So the students have a richer conceptual understanding, with more
    > connections among concepts and understanding of when to use the
    > procedure and what numbers to plug in where. In this country,
    > where we only know how, not why, we too often misuse the
    > procedures, or forget them because they never really made sense.
    >
    >>How do they handle the mixed abilities in the room so the low
    >>kids learn and the advanced kids don't stagnate?
    >
    > I don’t have much information about this. I remember a couple of
    > things related to this. In Japan, I am pretty sure the classes are
    > integrated. I remember reading something about more open-ended
    > tasks where students can work on the tasks at different levels. I
    > don’t have details about that. In another book that Stigler co-
    > authored, The Learning Gap, I remember a passage where a group of
    > researchers were in a Japanese classroom, and one student was
    > struggling at the board in front of the class. The teacher was
    > working on something else on another white board. The American
    > observers were appalled at how the student was allowed to publicly
    > struggle for so long, but no one in the class seemed phased by it,
    > not even the struggling student. I think that the student may have
    > been encouraged by some classmates, not sure it suggestions were
    > given also. At the end of the class the student finally got it,
    > and the whole class applauded. Everybody was happy. One point that
    > was made about this episode was that there was no stigma attached
    > to being slow. Everyone is expected to struggle and make mistakes.
    > It is part of the learning process. Another point was that there
    > is a great respect for student’s efforts. They ascribe achievement
    > to effort more than ability.
    >
    >>about the repeated addition thing.
    >
    > I am certainly not picking on anyone regarding my comment about
    > repeated addition. It is pervasive. Do a web search on
    > multiplication and that is what you will find, that multiplication
    > is repeated addition. That is how we were taught. My point is that
    > we think in terms of procedures so much, that we miss the concept,
    > but don’t realize it. Again, that is how we were taught—to think
    > that math is procedures, not concepts.
    >
    > There is a strong analogy between using counting to calculate a
    > sum in addition, and using repeated addition (or skip counting) to
    > calculate a product in multiplication. They are both good
    > computational procedures. But we don’t say that addition is
    > counting. We define addition as combining or joining quantities.
    > So why do we define multiplication as repeated addition? Devlin
    > says multiplication is scaling. It is using an intermediate unit
    > size, a change is scale. I’ll give an example: 3 six-packs of
    > juice is 3 x 6; 6 is the intermediate unit size and 3 is the count
    > of how many sixes there are. The product is the conversion of the
    > units back to the standard unit 1. Multiplication always involves
    > transforming the units, in this case from 3 six-packs to 18 cans.
    > Addition is joining like units. The units must be the same size.
    > Scaling is closely related to proportionality. Rational numbers
    > require paying close attention to the unit size, what is
    > considered the whole or 100%. When we treat multiplication as an
    > additive operation and don’t develop the concept of multiplication
    > as a multiplicative operation, we set up our students for
    > difficulty as they progress in math topics.


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  • Back to the PEMDAS question, 6/22/09, by DD.
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question, 6/22/09, by Cindy.
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question, 6/22/09, by algie2.
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question, 6/22/09, by Jo.
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question, 6/22/09, by Terrence.
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question, 6/22/09, by Jo to Terrence.
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question, 6/22/09, by algie2.
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question, 6/22/09, by Jo.
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question, 6/23/09, by I may get flamed for this but . . . .
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question, 6/23/09, by DD to Algie2.
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question, 6/23/09, by Terrence.
  • Re: Beyond pemdas, 6/23/09, by Cindy.
  • Re: Beyond pemdas/THANKS, 6/23/09, by DD.
  • Re: Beyond pemdas/THANKS, 6/23/09, by Terrence.
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question to JO, 6/23/09, by algie2.
  • Re: Back to the PEMDAS question to algie2, 6/23/09, by Jo.
  • Re: Beyond pemdas, 6/24/09, by Burt.
  • Re: LOVE YOUR POST, DD! (Re: Beyond pemdas) and . . ., 6/24/09, by thanks for sharing the blog.
  • Re: Beyond pemdas, 6/24/09, by Cindy.
  • Re: Beyond pemdas, 6/24/09, by Burt.
  • Re: Beyond pemdas Thanks Burt, 6/24/09, by Cindy.

     
     

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