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    Re: Tener question


    Daniel Hanson

    Posted on 11/07/09

    On 11/07/09, lindsay wrote:
    > My students want to know why you use "tener" with age
    > instead of "ser". I am 15 instead of "I have 15 years." I
    > just know that is how I learned it. Nobody ever explained
    > the "why" to me. I told them that I would get back with
    > them on that on Monday.

    When I teach tener, (my students learn it first with
    expressing ages as well) I tell them up front that that's how
    Spanish speakers think. They think it's logical for someone
    to have or to complete so many years and that someone isn't
    really those years; it's something someone gets as they
    complete another year of life. Then I tell them that one
    language structure is not better than another and that they
    have to just think of it as "different," not dumb or stupid
    because it's not like how English is. I also remind them that
    Spanish is NOT translated English. Spanish will have its own
    way of expressing concepts and ideas.

    > I guess next they would probably
    > ask me about "tener frio" instead of "estar frio". Could
    > anyone help me? I think that "estar frio" would mean "cold
    > to the touch" and "tener frio" would be internal body
    > temperature, but I could be completely wrong here. Any
    > answers would be helpful.

    Again, this is a concept difference between the two
    languages, one syntactical structure is not better than the
    other. Estar frío is more based on the speaker's
    perception of his/her senses. They would not use this
    structure to describe themselves. If they want to say
    that 'they are feeling cold,' they need to use tener.
    Ser, as Marisol pointed out, can also be used with
    frío, but that is to describe a inherent
    characteristic of someone or something——some innate property
    or attribute. When this construction is used with people,
    it's used to describe their personality: Esa persona es
    muy fría
    . Here it means that that person is very cold-
    hearted.

    Does the distinction make sense now? Looking at lots of
    examples and having more exposure with these contexts will
    help.

    Below I will put the Royal Spanish Academy's explanation in
    its Diccionario panhispánico de dudas if you would
    like to read what it says.

    Estar entry in the Diccionario panhispánico de dudas (Real Academia Española)


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    Posts on this thread, including this one

  • tener question, 11/07/09, by lindsay.
  • Re: tener question, 11/07/09, by mariadelsol.
  • Re: Tener question, 11/07/09, by Daniel Hanson.
  • Re: Tener question, 11/07/09, by lindsay.
  • Re: Tener question, 11/07/09, by Random mix of an answer :).
  • Re: tener question, 11/07/09, by Mark E.
  • Re: Tener question, 11/07/09, by Mark E.
  • Re: Tener question, 11/07/09, by mariadelsol.

     
     

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