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Clearing teaching credential without a permanent position

by Sandra Walker

Jun 26, 2012

I have preliminary teaching credentials (earned in April and June of 2011) in english and french, but despite going to about twenty interviews for permanent positions, some of which required an hour-long commute each way, I have not been hired, allegedly owing to my 'lack of experience'. I was hired by three districts as a substitute, but despite working an average of 2 or 3 days per week in two of the districts (the third district has given me no assignments, and I feel tempted to ask them to refund what I had to pay for fingerprint processing when I was 'hired') I am not considered to have had any teaching experience. I might add that the entire credential course I endured at a California State University was similarly frustrating. Many of our 'assignments' required cooperation from schools and their teachers, many of whom did not even have teaching credentials because they entered the profession when teachers were in great demand and were given 'emergency credentials' which they hav...See MoreI have preliminary teaching credentials (earned in April and June of 2011) in english and french, but despite going to about twenty interviews for permanent positions, some of which required an hour-long commute each way, I have not been hired, allegedly owing to my 'lack of experience'. I was hired by three districts as a substitute, but despite working an average of 2 or 3 days per week in two of the districts (the third district has given me no assignments, and I feel tempted to ask them to refund what I had to pay for fingerprint processing when I was 'hired') I am not considered to have had any teaching experience. I might add that the entire credential course I endured at a California State University was similarly frustrating. Many of our 'assignments' required cooperation from schools and their teachers, many of whom did not even have teaching credentials because they entered the profession when teachers were in great demand and were given 'emergency credentials' which they have never been required to upgrade. The cooperation was non-existent except for those uncredentialed students who were already working without credentials and were co-workers with teachers who were willing to support them. All of us who were not in that situation had to literally beg, steal and borrow the information we needed in order to satisfy our professors, most of whom played favorites and passed their chosen ones even when they did not do the assignments!

The question I need to ask at this point in my potential teaching career is how do we unemployed teachers do the necessary BTSA course being given to the teachers who have found employment (usually because they are math or science teachers, and not necessarily good ones, or because they were already working in schools before they got their credentials and have simply been kept on). In a nutshell, if I do not find a permanent post sometime within the next four years (since a year has gone by), and since my preliminary credentials cannot be renewed, how can I continue as a credentialed teacher? Is the money we are now repaying on our student loans being essentially stolen by the U.S. Dept. of Education because it allegedly offered us teacher training but with this Catch 22 hidden in the program which was not explained to us before we took out the loans? Or for those who had the money to pay their school fees directly but who have not found employment yet, is said money being stolen? Please advise!!

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Judy2/CA My only advice about the credentialing issue would be to contact your local county education office and they would probably be able to answer your question. You could also contact your CSU for advice.

On 6/26/12, Sandra Walker wrote: > I have preliminary teaching credentials (earned in April > and June of 2011) in english and french...See MoreMy only advice about the credentialing issue would be to contact your local county education office and they would probably be able to answer your question. You could also contact your CSU for advice.

On 6/26/12, Sandra Walker wrote: > I have preliminary teaching credentials (earned in April > and June of 2011) in english and french, but despite going > to about twenty interviews for permanent positions, some of > which required an hour-long commute each way, I have not > been hired, allegedly owing to my 'lack of experience'. I > was hired by three districts as a substitute, but despite > working an average of 2 or 3 days per week in two of the > districts (the third district has given me no assignments, > and I feel tempted to ask them to refund what I had to pay > for fingerprint processing when I was 'hired') I am not > considered to have had any teaching experience. I might > add that the entire credential course I endured at a > California State University was similarly frustrating. > Many of our 'assignments' required cooperation from schools > and their teachers, many of whom did not even have teaching > credentials because they entered the profession when > teachers were in great demand and were given 'emergency > credentials' which they have never been required to > upgrade. The cooperation was non-existent except for those > uncredentialed students who were already working without > credentials and were co-workers with teachers who were > willing to support them. All of us who were not in that > situation had to literally beg, steal and borrow the > information we needed in order to satisfy our professors, > most of whom played favorites and passed their chosen ones > even when they did not do the assignments! > > The question I need to ask at this point in my potential > teaching career is how do we unemployed teachers do the > necessary BTSA course being given to the teachers who have > found employment (usually because they are math or science > teachers, and not necessarily good ones, or because they > were already working in schools before they got their > credentials and have simply been kept on). In a nutshell, > if I do not find a permanent post sometime within the next > four years (since a year has gone by), and since my > preliminary credentials cannot be renewed, how can I > continue as a credentialed teacher? Is the money we are > now repaying on our student loans being essentially stolen > by the U.S. Dept. of Education because it allegedly offered > us teacher training but with this Catch 22 hidden in the > program which was not explained to us before we took out > the loans? Or for those who had the money to pay their > school fees directly but who have not found employment yet, > is said money being stolen? Please advise!!

Jul 7, 2012

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When the deadline looms, you can apply for an extension on your preliminary credential. You are NOT the first teacher in CA to be stuck in this position, so the law's been relaxed to give you several extra years of breathing room.

You can't do BTSA without being Teacher Of Record in a school classroom. First of all, the reflections and portfolio and other such stuff are all centered around what...See Moreon your preliminary credential. You are NOT the first teacher in CA to be stuck in this position, so the law's been relaxed to give you several extra years of breathing room.

You can't do BTSA without being Teacher Of Record in a school classroom. First of all, the reflections and portfolio and other such stuff are all centered around what's going on in YOUR class from day to day and week to week. But mainly, the state funds your district's BTSA program by headcount, and the state won't pay for substitute teachers to do the program.

So if you haven't found a permanent gig in three years or so, go to the CTC website and apply for the extension. It's not a complicated process.

What the state OUGHT to do, of course, is streamline the credential process so that there aren't two separate processes involved. Either you've got a credential or you haven't; either you're cleared to teach school or your not. LOL...but then the education colleges would fight tooth and nail to be in charge of the WHOLE enchilada; they'd love to see BTSA go away.

On 6/26/12, Sandra Walker wrote: > I have preliminary teaching credentials (earned in April > and June of 2011) in english and french, but despite going > to about twenty interviews for permanent positions, some of > which required an hour-long commute each way, I have not > been hired, allegedly owing to my 'lack of experience'. I > was hired by three districts as a substitute, but despite > working an average of 2 or 3 days per week in two of the > districts (the third district has given me no assignments, > and I feel tempted to ask them to refund what I had to pay > for fingerprint processing when I was 'hired') I am not > considered to have had any teaching experience. I might > add that the entire credential course I endured at a > California State University was similarly frustrating. > Many of our 'assignments' required cooperation from schools > and their teachers, many of whom did not even have teaching > credentials because they entered the profession when > teachers were in great demand and were given 'emergency > credentials' which they have never been required to > upgrade. The cooperation was non-existent except for those > uncredentialed students who were already working without > credentials and were co-workers with teachers who were > willing to support them. All of us who were not in that > situation had to literally beg, steal and borrow the > information we needed in order to satisfy our professors, > most of whom played favorites and passed their chosen ones > even when they did not do the assignments! > > The question I need to ask at this point in my potential > teaching career is how do we unemployed teachers do the > necessary BTSA course being given to the teachers who have > found employment (usually because they are math or science > teachers, and not necessarily good ones, or because they > were already working in schools before they got their > credentials and have simply been kept on). In a nutshell, > if I do not find a permanent post sometime within the next > four years (since a year has gone by), and since my > preliminary credentials cannot be renewed, how can I > continue as a credentialed teacher? Is the money we are > now repaying on our student loans being essentially stolen > by the U.S. Dept. of Education because it allegedly offered > us teacher training but with this Catch 22 hidden in the > program which was not explained to us before we took out > the loans? Or for those who had the money to pay their > school fees directly but who have not found employment yet, > is said money being stolen? Please advise!!

Jul 7, 2012

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mssumshine On 7/07/12, When the deadline looms, you can apply for an extension wrote: > on your preliminary credential. You are NOT the first teacher > in CA to be stuck in this position, so the law's been relaxed > to give you several extra years of breathing room. > > You can't do BTSA without being Teacher Of Record in a school > classroo...See MoreOn 7/07/12, When the deadline looms, you can apply for an extension wrote: > on your preliminary credential. You are NOT the first teacher > in CA to be stuck in this position, so the law's been relaxed > to give you several extra years of breathing room. > > You can't do BTSA without being Teacher Of Record in a school > classroom. First of all, the reflections and portfolio and > other such stuff are all centered around what's going on in > YOUR class from day to day and week to week. But mainly, the > state funds your district's BTSA program by headcount, and the > state won't pay for substitute teachers to do the program. > > So if you haven't found a permanent gig in three years or so, > go to the CTC website and apply for the extension. It's not a > complicated process. > > What the state OUGHT to do, of course, is streamline the > credential process so that there aren't two separate processes > involved. Either you've got a credential or you haven't; > either you're cleared to teach school or your not. LOL...but > then the education colleges would fight tooth and nail to be in > charge of the WHOLE enchilada; they'd love to see BTSA go away. > > > On 6/26/12, Sandra Walker wrote: >> I have preliminary teaching credentials (earned in April >> and June of 2011) in english and french, but despite going >> to about twenty interviews for permanent positions, some of >> which required an hour-long commute each way, I have not >> been hired, allegedly owing to my 'lack of experience'. I >> was hired by three districts as a substitute, but despite >> working an average of 2 or 3 days per week in two of the >> districts (the third district has given me no assignments, >> and I feel tempted to ask them to refund what I had to pay >> for fingerprint processing when I was 'hired') I am not >> considered to have had any teaching experience. I might >> add that the entire credential course I endured at a >> California State University was similarly frustrating. >> Many of our 'assignments' required cooperation from schools >> and their teachers, many of whom did not even have teaching >> credentials because they entered the profession when >> teachers were in great demand and were given 'emergency >> credentials' which they have never been required to >> upgrade. The cooperation was non-existent except for those >> uncredentialed students who were already working without >> credentials and were co-workers with teachers who were >> willing to support them. All of us who were not in that >> situation had to literally beg, steal and borrow the >> information we needed in order to satisfy our professors, >> most of whom played favorites and passed their chosen ones >> even when they did not do the assignments! >> >> The question I need to ask at this point in my potential >> teaching career is how do we unemployed teachers do the >> necessary BTSA course being given to the teachers who have >> found employment (usually because they are math or science >> teachers, and not necessarily good ones, or because they >> were already working in schools before they got their >> credentials and have simply been kept on). In a nutshell, >> if I do not find a permanent post sometime within the next >> four years (since a year has gone by), and since my >> preliminary credentials cannot be renewed, how can I >> continue as a credentialed teacher? Is the money we are >> now repaying on our student loans being essentially stolen >> by the U.S. Dept. of Education because it allegedly offered >> us teacher training but with this Catch 22 hidden in the >> program which was not explained to us before we took out >> the loans? Or for those who had the money to pay their >> school fees directly but who have not found employment yet, >> is said money being stolen? Please advise!! I have heard of induction program at Azusa, Claremon, and UCI extention but they are expensive and you need volunteer in a classroom.

Nov 13, 2012

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Alex Delgado Actually, clearing a credential is possible for substitute teachers, ymca employees, assistant teachers, even school volunteers. You just have to find a program that allows "unemployed teachers", and pay for it out of pocket of course. A good option is UCLA. And since they have 100&37; online classes, anyone can do it. It takes at lea...See MoreActually, clearing a credential is possible for substitute teachers, ymca employees, assistant teachers, even school volunteers. You just have to find a program that allows "unemployed teachers", and pay for it out of pocket of course. A good option is UCLA. And since they have 100&37; online classes, anyone can do it. It takes at least 3 quarters at about $2500 per quarter On 6/26/12, Sandra Walker wrote: > I have preliminary teaching credentials (earned in April > and June of 2011) in english and french, but despite going > to about twenty interviews for permanent positions, some of > which required an hour-long commute each way, I have not > been hired, allegedly owing to my 'lack of experience'. I > was hired by three districts as a substitute, but despite > working an average of 2 or 3 days per week in two of the > districts (the third district has given me no assignments, > and I feel tempted to ask them to refund what I had to pay > for fingerprint processing when I was 'hired') I am not > considered to have had any teaching experience. I might > add that the entire credential course I endured at a > California State University was similarly frustrating. > Many of our 'assignments' required cooperation from schools > and their teachers, many of whom did not even have teaching > credentials because they entered the profession when > teachers were in great demand and were given 'emergency > credentials' which they have never been required to > upgrade. The cooperation was non- existent except for those > uncredentialed students who were already working without > credentials and were co-workers with teachers who were > willing to support them. All of us who were not in that > situation had to literally beg, steal and borrow the > information we needed in order to satisfy our professors, > most of whom played favorites and passed their chosen ones > even when they did not do the assignments! > > The question I need to ask at this point in my potential > teaching career is how do we unemployed teachers do the > necessary BTSA course being given to the teachers who have > found employment (usually because they are math or science > teachers, and not necessarily good ones, or because they > were already working in schools before they got their > credentials and have simply been kept on). In a nutshell, > if I do not find a permanent post sometime within the next > four years (since a year has gone by), and since my > preliminary credentials cannot be renewed, how can I > continue as a credentialed teacher? Is the money we are > now repaying on our student loans being essentially stolen > by the U.S. Dept. of Education because it allegedly offered > us teacher training but with this Catch 22 hidden in the > program which was not explained to us before we took out > the loans? Or for those who had the money to pay their > school fees directly but who have not found employment yet, > is said money being stolen? Please advise!!

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