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Post: About the geography comments, and some analysis

Posted by Ze Povinho on 5/09/08

    Hi!

    I found this when I was preparing issue no. 83. I will
    post some of the comments regarding the state of affairs
    as far as geography education is the way it is in the US.

    These are posts by others, and I simply present them to
    you.

    I guess that these posts also explain why serious analysis
    tends to be shunned.

    Here are the posts.

    It is no wonder that this fact exists; what is more
    troubling is that it will surely get worse in the next few
    years.

    The reason, sadly, is that geography is both mis-taught as
    well as not taught. The situation reminds me of many older
    elementary teachers who 'teach' mathematics the way they
    were taught in school in the 50's and 60's. They 'teach'
    arithmetic believing that they are teaching mathematics.

    Further complicating the geography issue is the fact that
    social studies gets less and less attention in the
    curriculum because of the NCLB Act that puts increased
    emphasis on reading and math. Elementary teachers have
    been told to increase the math and reading time and thus
    social studies gets chopped.

    This all smacks of the usual: politicians messing with a
    field of study of which they are fairly ignorant.

    The above is an IMHO EXCELLENT post that explains several
    issues here.

    2. But [young people] can tell you what the hottest new
    bands are, sing their song lyrics from memory, know
    exactly when their favorite shows are on, and give you a
    synopsis of the entire season so far. Or keep track of
    their favorite sport or team.

    They constantly ask for help and whine when they don't get
    it, whine that they don't understand, whine about how
    stupid the people teaching them are, yet there's no
    evidence of them cracking the book open... and if they
    cracked the book open, they don't look at any OTHER books
    or anything else for help.

    By the time I was in fourth grade, I could look up
    something in the old fashioned CARD CATALOG (with real
    cards and how I miss 'em), and then go find it on the
    shelf. If I couldn't find what I wanted in the catalog by
    looking under one subject, I knew enough to try other
    similar subjects. This crop of kids, if they can't find it
    under the first term they searched for, they start whining
    and throwing a fit.

    If their toilet runs they have no idea what to do. Hell,
    they could be sitting there with access to Google and they
    can't figure out how to type in "fixing a broken toilet".

    I've had offers of serious money to write papers for some
    of them, or to help them cheat on a test, or other
    academic "help".

    I don't know if it was just me or what, but I was brought
    up to figure out how things worked and try fixing them
    myself or find out an answer from non-human resources
    before bothering a person first. It constantly annoys me
    that people DON'T get off their asses and LOOK FOR
    ANSWERS, or they PICK THE FIRST LIKELY ANSWER and assume
    it's gospel without cross-checking.

    As for the meaning you are looking for... what it means is
    that Americans are getting lazier and stupider.
    Information is not entertainment for them. They've been
    raised to want clean simple answers. Look at the tests we
    have today... MULTIPLE CHOICE. ACT, SAT, state exams...
    multiple choice. Except for the writing sections that
    colleges are finally demanding after having had too many
    dumbasses have to go through Remedial English. In part due
    to the fact they don't know how to use a dictionary (and
    spell-check doesn't teach anything about what the word
    actually means). If not multiple choice, then it's
    matching, true/false, or fill-in-the-blank. Give them
    essay or short answer and they start talking of rebellion.
    Story problems? They can't extract information from story
    problems.

    The really awful part is that most of the parents are the
    same way.

    And let's face it. There's some really [messed] up
    priorites in the USA. And I'll start by bringing up the
    saying that makes me want to punch people: "... has too
    much time on his/her hands". Someone makes a scale model
    of the starship Enterprise out of popsicle sticks... too
    much time on their hands. Same deal if I spend two hours
    researching a political topic and posting it here... "too
    much time on my hands". And what's the person saying that
    spending their time doing? WATCHING AMERICAN IDOL OR SOME
    OTHER INANE DRIVEL ON TV, OR DISCUSSING IT WITH THEIR
    FRIENDS ON MY SPACE, OR OUT BUYING STUFF THEY DON'T NEED!

    ....value judgement on how one finds entertainment, is
    what it is... and if your'e not in with the majority,
    wasting time on Hollywood and sports, you're some kind of
    sad, sad nerd with no life. And this attitude even exists
    in the "goth" culture which is already comprised of MANY
    of the people who shun (or are shunned by)
    the "mainstream". The attitude is much, MUCH less
    prevalent there but it still exists.

    3. One , albeit perhaps smaller part of the problem is,
    the public school systems of today waste a lot of time
    teaching (or maybe indoctrinating) with feel-good
    politically correct stuff rather than actually trying to
    educate. When I was in school, it was the basics-reading,
    writing, arithmetic,english, art, mechanical
    drafting,whatever. The things to help you develop skills
    and get you through life. Do agree today's kids are worse
    on the rebelliousness, but there was a lot of that back in
    the fifties as well. The difference was the schools
    refused to put up with it then. Now they can't touch a
    kid, let alone discipline them, without threat of a
    lawsuit.

    4. I don't know how many here listen to Sean Hannity. On
    Fridays he'll get one of his assistants to walk the
    streets of NYC with pictures of people. In the first group
    he has President Bush, Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, Alberto
    Gonzalez, etc. In the next group he takes pop culture
    icons (American Idol contestants, Britney Spears, etc.) He
    randomly chooses 3 or 4 people to say the names of the
    people in the pictures. Most people get Bush, maybe half
    get Cheney, and no one gets any of the other people
    (Condi, Kofi Annan, Rumsfeld, etc.). When they ask for the
    names of the pop culture pictures they're always correct.

    If the majority of people he finds on the streets don't
    know the pictures of our leaders, then how in the world
    can they make informed decisions about major issues like
    Iraq, taxes, healthcare, and education?

    I think all of this just points to the fact that most
    people are content with being happy today. Forget being
    happy tomorrow or helping other people be happy; Americans
    as a whole don't think past the here and now.

    5. Americans as a whole don't think past the here and now.

    Hell, HeyHey, they don't learn about and from the past
    either. That's why we're in such a fix now.

    6. AC, the sad truth is that entertainment is being
    promoted, used and abused AS IF it was information. Even
    the so-called wars America fights now are primarily
    entertainment venues which people often mistake as
    educational information. Let us not forget the large
    percentages of Fox viewers that believed many false things
    about the reasons for the second US-Iraq war. Let us not
    forget the Scud Stud from the first.

    Anyhoo, it's been noticed in studies that Americans are
    growing progressively (and intentionally?) more ignorant
    of world news ... which is rather amusing considering this
    trend accompanies the opposite rise of economic (even some
    political) globalism. As the highly American form of
    Hypercapitalism infects the globe like a nasty viral
    outbreak, Americans themselves are less interested in this
    outside world.

    7. Here's the money quote, the one you should sear into
    your head:

    "Dr. Miller's data reveal some yawning gaps in basic
    knowledge. American adults in general do not understand
    what molecules are (other than that they are really
    small). Fewer than a third can identify DNA as a key to
    heredity. Only about 10 percent know what radiation is.
    One adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around
    the Earth, an idea science had abandoned by the 17th
    century."

    8. I have a sister-in-Law who recieved a 4.0 at BGSU in
    Biology. In conversation one day I was utterly amazed when
    she popped up in all seriouness and asked...

    "NYC, that's on the Pacific Ocean coast...right?"

    9. Mike,

    I wish I could say that any of this is shocking, or even
    surprising, but it's just not.

    The ignorance that we see in our schools, and as a result
    in our general population, is both willful and the result
    of decades of socially engineered dumbing down of American
    society. A dumb population is much more docile, and much
    more likely to uncritically accept what it is told...

    ...I came from a culture where

    a) teachers were practically venerated

    b) Academic excellence and intelligence were considered to
    be good and positive things.

    I was shocked to discover that it was just the opposite in
    the U.S. That even if you're not dumb, you have to act
    dumb to be respected by your peers. That teachers are
    ignored, derided and ridiculed (often justifiably,
    however).

    P.S.-I don't remember the exact question, but a few months
    ago the NY Times published the results of a survey which
    discovered that 20% of the American population couldn't
    answer some "is the earth round or flat?" type question
    correctly.

    That's the shape we're in.

    ________
    Take care!

    Ze

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