I wrote the post you singled out, so I will respond:

Yes, I do have children and, no, their social skills did not suffer
because I did not hand them off to a stranger to teach them these important
lessons. They were able to learn social skills by watching their parents,
grandparents, family friends, etc, interact with others, playing with cousins
and friends, attending social functions, church, family outings, whatever.
Both excelled all the way through school and are attending excellent
universities on full scholarships. Neither one was afraid to undertake life's
important milestones, i.e., sleeping in their own rooms, going to school,
staying overnight with friends, going off to summer camp, attending college.
I don't think I scarred them too terribly by being available to parent them.
I seriously doubt anyone could have done a better job preparing them for
anything that was to come.

Elyssa

On 11/06/09, Sandra dee wrote:
> as a mom and as a substitute/nursery school employee, I am shocked at some
> of the comments on this board. Whatever happened to supporting out own?
> We are paid to teach these children; not paid to treat them as "items" to
> be dumped on the public school system. If your feelings are this strong;
> then maybe you should reconsider entering this field of work. yes, I've
> seen the changes over the years, K is getting more demanding by the second,
> but does this mean that students can't handle the situation? I live in a
> district where K is mandated all day and I've never had my own two kids
> complain that the day is too long in school. They get used to the day and
> chug along.
>
> As for subbing in K all day long, it's extremely tough on the subs who
> don't realize how demanding the little ones can be (from tattles; to boo
> boos; to saying bad words; hurt feelings, etc.)then don't take those
> jobs...I used to but don't anymore because of the above reasons and more
>
> "If you can't be bothered to take care of your kids and raise them
> properly, get your respective tubes tied and then you won't have the
> problem. I have seen the effects created on kids raised in daycare and
> left in before and after school care. It's not pretty. The ones who
> suffer most are the kids, followed by "caregivers," so that parents don't
> have to parent." Annise
>
> Do you have any kids? Because if you do you wouldn't have posted such a
> comment. By choice, I put my two sons in a good/licensed NAEYC preschool
> program to "prepare" them for a typical school day and it was worth all the
> money in the world---kids who are NOT exposed to an early setting of being
> around caregivers outside of their home do extremely poorly when they enter
> K--they take longer to adjust and don't make the social connections
> necessary to have a successful experience
>
> Granted there are other options (handing them over to schools with no
> proven track record; unlicensed; home daycare) and this adds up to
> speculative results
>
>
> On 11/06/09, Janine wrote:
>> In my state, it is now mandated that kindergarten be all day. I think
>> it's torture for the kids, and for me, too, when I'm foolish enough to
>> sub for K!
>>
>>
>> On 11/06/09, Elyssa wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Annise,
>>>
>>> Whoever thought that all-day kindergarten is a good idea should
>>> be sentenced to teach in one of those all-day nursery school
>>> nightmares for eternity.
>>>
>>> Kindergartners are NOT academically ready to be there all day.
>>> About 3.5 hours is the MAX, with a of breaks and playtime
>>> interspersed with learning.
>>>
>>> To further torture those kids by adding in two hours before and
>>> two hours after school is just plain mean. Sometimes, I just have to
>>> wonder why people have children at all. If you can't be bothered to
>>> take care of your kids and raise them properly, get your respective
>>> tubes tied and then you won't have the problem. I have seen the
>>> effects created on kids raised in daycare and left in before and
>>> after school care. It's not pretty. The ones who suffer most are
>>> the kids, followed by "caregivers," so that parents don't have to parent.
>>>
>>> Eyssa
>>>
>>> On 11/06/09, Annise wrote:
>>>> It's the same in every profession and job Magoo. My sis is a nurse
>>>> and she complains about the same sort of favoritism. Another is a
>>>> hairdresser and she says the boss just let one of the experienced
>>>> stylists go because her niece needed a job. Not fair and not right
>>>> but very much true.
>>>> Jo, I have known some great and wonderfully supporting parents.
>>>> But, in the last few years I taught full time, I noticed that more
>>>> and more, the schools were being regarded as babysitters. In
>>>> Ontario they are now going to run full day junior and senior
>>>> kindergartens. Parents will be able to drop off their three and
>>>> four year olds at 7:30 to be met by an EA. Then the teacher will
>>>> take over at nine and continue to 3:30 when the EA will again take
>>>> the kids and they can stay there until 5:30. Sort of a mixed
>>>> kindergarten/childcare system. I know a lot of parents really are
>>>> welcoming the idea as they will not have to pay day care costs and
>>>> it will be more convenient but I rather suspect this will even
>>>> more entrench in parent's minds that schools are babysitting
>>>> institutions.

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