What is PI? Sorry, I have brain freeze. :) Brent schools are in Japan?
I am lost.

On 2/17/09, Lisa wrote:
>
> About the heritage thing, the weird thing is that i didn't hear slurs.
> some political stuff that was parroted, but no big deal. what was
weird
> was that the average person we had contact with didn't care, but the
> ministry had its rules about content and books. It only took one parent
> to complain to make something a big deal. Lots of stuff was banned the
> kids just figured out what it was and ordered it on Amazon.or. "What is
> _______?" "Sorry it is illegal for me to tell you." "Ok I'll look it up
> later at home."
>
> Check out international schools in Japan or PI. Brent schools are
> supposed to be good. Brent Subic (there is more than one) is on the old
> navy base. There are lots of great adventures out there. I'm excited for
> you. L.
>
> On 2/17/09, Debbie wrote:
>> It is a computer that pulls your name for DoDDS? Are you serious? So
>> it is just random. Well that would make sense for people who have
>> been waiting years. I wonder what the criteria is for the computer.
>> That really sucks!!
>>
>> I could keep my heritage a secret. What would probably bother me,
>> would be the slurs. My husband does not want to live in a place where
>> he cannot have all of us. Rightfully, so!! :) So, Bahrain would be
>> out of the question. We are hoping to go to Okinawa. I have heard so
>> many great things about it. It is pretty far away, and I know I would
>> be homesick, but I could get over that as long as we are all together.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/09, Lisa wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I agree I had friends that worked in Israel and they loved it but
>>> they had to follow the security rules from the embassy and ended
>>> up locked down in their apt a lot. This was several years ago.
>>> Pakistan is really cool, but it is poor too so is Bangladesh.
>>> Security is a worry too at times. Gulf is very safe, but you would
>>> have to not let on about your heritage and the censorship is
>>> stupid and would get on your nerves.
>>> I think I haven't been selected by DODDS for several reasons, base
>>> closures and transfers take priority, This summer there were 100
>>> teachers displaced and waiting. There is no retirement age and
>>> people hold on. Also many of the bases are going to 6 month
>>> deployments without dependents. From my aunt, I heard Livorno in
>>> Italy has lost 1/2 its kids. I doesn't help that it is a computer
>>> pulling names.
>>> in July I was notified of a job in Bahrain but it was without
>>> dependants. I have a husband and 2 kids. My degree doesn't line
>>> up exactly with my certification and what I want to teach and I
>>> don't think that the computer can sort through all of it. I keep
>>> updating my file, but once I heard about the bases slowing family
>>> deployments I am more doubtful than ever. They also wanted a ton
>>> of expereince when I first signed up.. I don't know the
>>> requirements now. One great thing about them is that they ahve
>>> thier own system for teaching certificates, so once you are in you
>>> maintain with them and don't have to jump through the hoops set my
>>> state. We both have been teaching Elem for years and love it, but
>>> originally we were HS people.
>>>
>>> On 2/16/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>> That is pretty helpful. I would not consider Israel and I am
>>>> Jewish ( my husband is not). Scares me too much as well. I
>>>> too do not know if I could handle the poverty in India. I
>>>> would be willing to go to China as would my husband. I could
>>>> consider Pakistan as we have very wealthy friends who live
>>>> there. They went to school with my brothers here in the
>>>> States.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you think you have not yet been selected to work for
>>>> DoDDS? What subjects do you and your husband teach? It may be
>>>> on another posting of yours, but I cannot remember.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/15/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>> Hi, i totally understand! My kids are now jsut old enough
>>>>> that I have to worry about school from their perspective
>>>>> besides just friends, soon enough I will see if they are
>>>>> into sports..... I'm glad that I just don't have to worry
>>>>> so much now about bills. It takes a lot of weight off.
>>>>> They best place is hard..... As for the Middle East safety
>>>>> is not a problem, REALLY.I was there in 2001 and it was
>>>>> really ok. DOn't believe TV. I probably would be nervous
>>>>> to go to Israel to work more than any others. Some of the
>>>>> for profit schools are not that great and there is not a
>>>>> lot do. Dubai has a lot to do but can be expensive. I
>>>>> wouldn't go to Pakistan right now, but I would go to India
>>>>> or Bangladesh if I thought I could do the poverty. North
>>>>> Africa ok, Sub Saharan too much day to day violence for
>>>>> me- car jacking, house invasion. China is polluted, but
>>>>> you can make a lot of money. Beijing, Shanghai have some
>>>>> excellent school. Manila does too. Latin America, Peru has
>>>>> a good reputation. haven't heard too much about making
>>>>> money though. THere are great school everywhere, and some
>>>>> crappy places to work you sort of have to research as
>>>> the
>>>>> jobs come up. It is better to work at a school that is
>>>>> International and not a school for rich local kids. it is
>>>>> better to work for a non profit. Surf the web and see. L.
>>>>> On 2/15/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>> Better late than never, right? Ok, so where is the best
>>>>>> place to live as well
>>>>>> as the safest place. If we were to go the Middle East,
>>>>>> where she we go....I want a really good school system
>>>>>> not only for us, but for our children. It would be
>>>>>> wonderful to be debt-free and to be able to live a
>>>>>> comfortable life for a change. We are so tired of the
>>>>>> struggling. We are not looking to be wealthy, just
>>>>>> comfortable. Be able to pay the bills and have left
>>>>>> over to enjoy and also to put away for retirement and
>>>>>> college for the kids.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/15/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>> Good Morning! Well maybe my post is going the long
>>>>>>> way around. I'm too ling winded anyway ;-) Basically,
>>>>>>> I think you should go for it and see what happens.
>>>>>>> Tieonline and QSI might be your best bets. You could
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>> just about finish the classes, if required, by late
>>>>>>> Aug. Expereince may hold you back and may not, so
>>>>>>> much is right place at right time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pay scales vary widely. It can be unintentionally
>>>>>>> misleading. Salaries range from 15k (no kidding) to
>>>>>>> 55+K. Some schools in awesome locations are offering
>>>>>>> a partially subsidized working holiday and others you
>>>>>>> can pay off all your debt by xmas. You need to figure
>>>>>>> out how much money you need to send to the US to
>>>>>>> cover bills, storage, etc. For many people that put
>>>>>>> lots of jobs in Latin America and Western Europe out
>>>>>>> of range in the beginning at least. As a working
>>>>>>> couple with 2 kids we save 1 salary + depending on
>>>>>>> how much travel we do xmas and spring break. we don't
>>>>>>> go to the states for xmas. I couldn't even get to
>>>>>>> disney land and taco bell when i taught in the states
>>>>>>> now we debate Cairo or Rome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The big question is WHAT CAN WE SAVE, not what do you
>>>>>>> pay! Remember the salary is tax free in the US and
>>>>>>> overseas. You keep the gross and get housing,
>>>>>>> insurance, tickets, tuition,some shipping allowance
>>>>>>> and maybe some utilities, for all 4 of you if you are
>>>>>>> both working . If you pay taxes like in Germany they
>>>>>>> will pay you way more. Let me know how you are doing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/15/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>> For some reason my answer didn't post!! Grrr. I
>>>>>>>> think it went to some admin review place, whatever
>>>>>>>> that means! If it doesn't show up my Monday, I will
>>>>>>>> write again. L On 2/14/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I spoke with my admissions person yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>> me to complete my French grades 7-12, I only need
>>>>>>>>> 4 more courses and will need to write 2 state
>>>>>>>>> exams. I also wanted to add Special Ed, so I am
>>>>>>>>> not sure how many more courses I need. I did the
>>>>>>>>> student teaching practicum in 1996 when I was
>>>>>>>>> pregnant with our first daughter, so that is out
>>>>>>>>> of the way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We would be willing to go this September. There
>>>>>>>>> is nothing holding us back at this time. Since, I
>>>>>>>>> am unemployed right now, and he is done in June
>>>>>>>>> with his long-term sub assignment (unless they
>>>>>>>>> offer him F/T), we are more than ready to go. We
>>>>>>>>> do have a home here, but we are willing to rent
>>>>>>>>> it out if need be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is the pay scale going overseas? By the time
>>>>>>>>> my husband is finished, he will have 1 year of
>>>>>>>>> teaching experience under his belt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/14/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> DODDS will take people with dependents, no
>>>>>>>>>> problem. If you are not quite certified it will
>>>>>>>>>> be more difficult. Are you close to finishing?
>>>>>>>>>> I think it is College of New Jersey has a
>>>>>>>>>> program designed for people overseas, Some
>>>>>>>>>> place in Michigan and also George Mason outside
>>>>>>>>>> DC. Some states will let you do a first year
>>>>>>>>>> job in lieu of student teaching. Some int'l
>>>>>>>>>> schools will hire you in that situation. The
>>>>>>>>>> best school of course will hold out for the
>>>>>>>>>> most expereince and education. However you can
>>>>>>>>>> wait forever
>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>> into the perfect school IF you have no overseas
>>>>>>>>>> experience. Once your foot is in the door it is
>>>>>>>>>> a different recruiting experience. You will
>>>>>>>>>> have a tough time to find a school that will
>>>>>>>>>> take 3 dependents because they provided
>>>>>>>>>> housing, airfare, tuition and insurance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For overseas $$ is different. You of course
>>>>>>>>>> need to consider how much you need to cover
>>>>>>>>>> obligations at home, and what you need to save
>>>>>>>>>> for retirement. Most schools don't pay into
>>>>>>>>>> SSI, but you can if you are willing to pay your
>>>>>>>>>> portion and the employer. Your husband will not
>>>>>>>>>> make $40,000 overseas, but he will get housing,
>>>>>>>>>> some utilities, full insurance, private school
>>>>>>>>>> tuition, probably no commute/freedom from
>>>>>>>>>> having 2 cars., no taxes! You must ask what you
>>>>>>>>>> can save!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The good news is that I'm hearing more and more
>>>>>>>>>> that job fairs are out and tel. interviews are
>>>>>>>>>> in!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is your timeline to go overseas? Sept, or
>>>>>>>>>> farther out? L
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> My husband is the teacher and my background
>>>>>>>>>>> is HR. Although, I was looking at going back
>>>>>>>>>>> to school to finish my certification which I
>>>>>>>>>>> started from 1995-1996. I had to stop as we
>>>>>>>>>>> had our first child and then our second one
>>>>>>>>>>> 18 months later. My husband teaches science.
>>>>>>>>>>> We are pretty open to areas. He is currently
>>>>>>>>>>> earning around 40k as a first year teacher.
>>>>>>>>>>> He has a BS and 34 hrs toward Masters. He has
>>>>>>>>>>> 2 courses left to finish to get his Masters.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what other info you need. Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> for your help.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, My aunt worked for DODDS for 30+ years
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I have friends that have worked for
>>>>>>>>>>>> DODDS and for Int'l schools. Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>> compares to DODDS!!! If you can get in go
>>>>>>>>>>>> for it. My hsuband and I have been trying
>>>>>>>>>>>> to 9 years. It is super hard to get in,
>>>>>>>>>>>> even for people with lots of expereince and
>>>>>>>>>>>> suposed connections. Luck I guess! The
>>>>>>>>>>>> schools don't compare but the search
>>>>>>>>>>>> agencies for Int'l Schools are much easier
>>>>>>>>>>>> to utilize and your chance of getting a job
>>>>>>>>>>>> are 1000% higher. DODDS are all American
>>>>>>>>>>>> kids, In't schools aren't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Until now there has been a teacher shortage
>>>>>>>>>>>> overseas. Over the last several years I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have been working with recent graduates
>>>>>>>>>>>> with no experience so they do get hired. A
>>>>>>>>>>>> collegue last year, 22 and straight out of
>>>>>>>>>>>> college, broke her first teaching contract
>>>>>>>>>>>> (did 1 of 2 years) and was hired for a new
>>>>>>>>>>>> inl't job for the next year by phone
>>>>>>>>>>>> interview. If she can, you can!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you teach??? Your kids will be no
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem if both of you teach. You usually
>>>>>>>>>>>> get 1 kid free per teacher. All
>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits/flights/tuition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never done ISS because they wanted
>>>>>>>>>>>> all these essays and when I first got
>>>>>>>>>>>> started I didn't have the minimum # of
>>>>>>>>>>>> years required to sign up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have only used Search Associates. Thier
>>>>>>>>>>>> website has some good links and info. They
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a job fair in late June after school
>>>>>>>>>>>> gets out. They will be honest about your
>>>>>>>>>>>> chances. TIE online I think is cheap or
>>>>>>>>>>>> free and many hires are interviewed on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype. I know some people that have been
>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy with QSI. qsi.org They have an
>>>>>>>>>>>> online application and are all over the
>>>>>>>>>>>> world in interesting places.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of your chance depends on your
>>>>>>>>>>>> flexibility for location, type of school,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and salary requirements. Do you need
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything special for your kids? Let me know
>>>>>>>>>>>> if I can help.L On 2/10/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Lisa:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have read several of your posts and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have been quite helpful. My husband
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a first year teacher (2nd career) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is currently a long-term sub. His
>>>>>>>>>>>>> certification is in science
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Biology-grades 7-12), but has also been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> teaching physical science. He applied to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DoDDS and DDESS and due to the budget
>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis, who knows if that will even pan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. My question is what is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> likelihood if he were to apply through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the other agencies you mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that he would get a job. We have 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> children as well. I don't think he will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to go to the job fairs. I looked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into ISS online, and have been a little
>>>>>>>>>>>>> apprehensive. How do these agencies
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare to DoDDS?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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