Sorry PI is Philipines. Brent schools are there, Manila, Subic and maybe
another. There are a lot of schools in Japan too.

On 2/18/09, DEbbie wrote:
> What is PI? Sorry, I have brain freeze. :) Brent schools are in Japan?
> I am lost.
>
>
> On 2/17/09, Lisa wrote:
>>
>> About the heritage thing, the weird thing is that i didn't hear slurs.
>> some political stuff that was parroted, but no big deal. what was
> weird
>> was that the average person we had contact with didn't care, but the
>> ministry had its rules about content and books. It only took one parent
>> to complain to make something a big deal. Lots of stuff was banned the
>> kids just figured out what it was and ordered it on Amazon.or. "What is
>> _______?" "Sorry it is illegal for me to tell you." "Ok I'll look it up
>> later at home."
>>
>> Check out international schools in Japan or PI. Brent schools are
>> supposed to be good. Brent Subic (there is more than one) is on the old
>> navy base. There are lots of great adventures out there. I'm excited for
>> you. L.
>>
>> On 2/17/09, Debbie wrote:
>>> It is a computer that pulls your name for DoDDS? Are you serious? So
>>> it is just random. Well that would make sense for people who have
>>> been waiting years. I wonder what the criteria is for the computer.
>>> That really sucks!!
>>>
>>> I could keep my heritage a secret. What would probably bother me,
>>> would be the slurs. My husband does not want to live in a place where
>>> he cannot have all of us. Rightfully, so!! :) So, Bahrain would be
>>> out of the question. We are hoping to go to Okinawa. I have heard so
>>> many great things about it. It is pretty far away, and I know I would
>>> be homesick, but I could get over that as long as we are all together.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/17/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I agree I had friends that worked in Israel and they loved it but
>>>> they had to follow the security rules from the embassy and ended
>>>> up locked down in their apt a lot. This was several years ago.
>>>> Pakistan is really cool, but it is poor too so is Bangladesh.
>>>> Security is a worry too at times. Gulf is very safe, but you would
>>>> have to not let on about your heritage and the censorship is
>>>> stupid and would get on your nerves.
>>>> I think I haven't been selected by DODDS for several reasons, base
>>>> closures and transfers take priority, This summer there were 100
>>>> teachers displaced and waiting. There is no retirement age and
>>>> people hold on. Also many of the bases are going to 6 month
>>>> deployments without dependents. From my aunt, I heard Livorno in
>>>> Italy has lost 1/2 its kids. I doesn't help that it is a computer
>>>> pulling names.
>>>> in July I was notified of a job in Bahrain but it was without
>>>> dependants. I have a husband and 2 kids. My degree doesn't line
>>>> up exactly with my certification and what I want to teach and I
>>>> don't think that the computer can sort through all of it. I keep
>>>> updating my file, but once I heard about the bases slowing family
>>>> deployments I am more doubtful than ever. They also wanted a ton
>>>> of expereince when I first signed up.. I don't know the
>>>> requirements now. One great thing about them is that they ahve
>>>> thier own system for teaching certificates, so once you are in you
>>>> maintain with them and don't have to jump through the hoops set my
>>>> state. We both have been teaching Elem for years and love it, but
>>>> originally we were HS people.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/16/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>> That is pretty helpful. I would not consider Israel and I am
>>>>> Jewish ( my husband is not). Scares me too much as well. I
>>>>> too do not know if I could handle the poverty in India. I
>>>>> would be willing to go to China as would my husband. I could
>>>>> consider Pakistan as we have very wealthy friends who live
>>>>> there. They went to school with my brothers here in the
>>>>> States.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you think you have not yet been selected to work for
>>>>> DoDDS? What subjects do you and your husband teach? It may be
>>>>> on another posting of yours, but I cannot remember.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/15/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, i totally understand! My kids are now jsut old enough
>>>>>> that I have to worry about school from their perspective
>>>>>> besides just friends, soon enough I will see if they are
>>>>>> into sports..... I'm glad that I just don't have to worry
>>>>>> so much now about bills. It takes a lot of weight off.
>>>>>> They best place is hard..... As for the Middle East safety
>>>>>> is not a problem, REALLY.I was there in 2001 and it was
>>>>>> really ok. DOn't believe TV. I probably would be nervous
>>>>>> to go to Israel to work more than any others. Some of the
>>>>>> for profit schools are not that great and there is not a
>>>>>> lot do. Dubai has a lot to do but can be expensive. I
>>>>>> wouldn't go to Pakistan right now, but I would go to India
>>>>>> or Bangladesh if I thought I could do the poverty. North
>>>>>> Africa ok, Sub Saharan too much day to day violence for
>>>>>> me- car jacking, house invasion. China is polluted, but
>>>>>> you can make a lot of money. Beijing, Shanghai have some
>>>>>> excellent school. Manila does too. Latin America, Peru has
>>>>>> a good reputation. haven't heard too much about making
>>>>>> money though. THere are great school everywhere, and some
>>>>>> crappy places to work you sort of have to research as
>>>>> the
>>>>>> jobs come up. It is better to work at a school that is
>>>>>> International and not a school for rich local kids. it is
>>>>>> better to work for a non profit. Surf the web and see. L.
>>>>>> On 2/15/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>>> Better late than never, right? Ok, so where is the best
>>>>>>> place to live as well
>>>>>>> as the safest place. If we were to go the Middle East,
>>>>>>> where she we go....I want a really good school system
>>>>>>> not only for us, but for our children. It would be
>>>>>>> wonderful to be debt-free and to be able to live a
>>>>>>> comfortable life for a change. We are so tired of the
>>>>>>> struggling. We are not looking to be wealthy, just
>>>>>>> comfortable. Be able to pay the bills and have left
>>>>>>> over to enjoy and also to put away for retirement and
>>>>>>> college for the kids.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/15/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>> Good Morning! Well maybe my post is going the long
>>>>>>>> way around. I'm too ling winded anyway ;-) Basically,
>>>>>>>> I think you should go for it and see what happens.
>>>>>>>> Tieonline and QSI might be your best bets. You could
>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>>> just about finish the classes, if required, by late
>>>>>>>> Aug. Expereince may hold you back and may not, so
>>>>>>>> much is right place at right time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pay scales vary widely. It can be unintentionally
>>>>>>>> misleading. Salaries range from 15k (no kidding) to
>>>>>>>> 55+K. Some schools in awesome locations are offering
>>>>>>>> a partially subsidized working holiday and others you
>>>>>>>> can pay off all your debt by xmas. You need to figure
>>>>>>>> out how much money you need to send to the US to
>>>>>>>> cover bills, storage, etc. For many people that put
>>>>>>>> lots of jobs in Latin America and Western Europe out
>>>>>>>> of range in the beginning at least. As a working
>>>>>>>> couple with 2 kids we save 1 salary + depending on
>>>>>>>> how much travel we do xmas and spring break. we don't
>>>>>>>> go to the states for xmas. I couldn't even get to
>>>>>>>> disney land and taco bell when i taught in the states
>>>>>>>> now we debate Cairo or Rome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The big question is WHAT CAN WE SAVE, not what do you
>>>>>>>> pay! Remember the salary is tax free in the US and
>>>>>>>> overseas. You keep the gross and get housing,
>>>>>>>> insurance, tickets, tuition,some shipping allowance
>>>>>>>> and maybe some utilities, for all 4 of you if you are
>>>>>>>> both working . If you pay taxes like in Germany they
>>>>>>>> will pay you way more. Let me know how you are doing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/15/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>>> For some reason my answer didn't post!! Grrr. I
>>>>>>>>> think it went to some admin review place, whatever
>>>>>>>>> that means! If it doesn't show up my Monday, I will
>>>>>>>>> write again. L On 2/14/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I spoke with my admissions person yesterday. For
>>>>>>>>>> me to complete my French grades 7-12, I only need
>>>>>>>>>> 4 more courses and will need to write 2 state
>>>>>>>>>> exams. I also wanted to add Special Ed, so I am
>>>>>>>>>> not sure how many more courses I need. I did the
>>>>>>>>>> student teaching practicum in 1996 when I was
>>>>>>>>>> pregnant with our first daughter, so that is out
>>>>>>>>>> of the way.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We would be willing to go this September. There
>>>>>>>>>> is nothing holding us back at this time. Since, I
>>>>>>>>>> am unemployed right now, and he is done in June
>>>>>>>>>> with his long-term sub assignment (unless they
>>>>>>>>>> offer him F/T), we are more than ready to go. We
>>>>>>>>>> do have a home here, but we are willing to rent
>>>>>>>>>> it out if need be.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is the pay scale going overseas? By the time
>>>>>>>>>> my husband is finished, he will have 1 year of
>>>>>>>>>> teaching experience under his belt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/14/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> DODDS will take people with dependents, no
>>>>>>>>>>> problem. If you are not quite certified it will
>>>>>>>>>>> be more difficult. Are you close to finishing?
>>>>>>>>>>> I think it is College of New Jersey has a
>>>>>>>>>>> program designed for people overseas, Some
>>>>>>>>>>> place in Michigan and also George Mason outside
>>>>>>>>>>> DC. Some states will let you do a first year
>>>>>>>>>>> job in lieu of student teaching. Some int'l
>>>>>>>>>>> schools will hire you in that situation. The
>>>>>>>>>>> best school of course will hold out for the
>>>>>>>>>>> most expereince and education. However you can
>>>>>>>>>>> wait forever
>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>> into the perfect school IF you have no overseas
>>>>>>>>>>> experience. Once your foot is in the door it is
>>>>>>>>>>> a different recruiting experience. You will
>>>>>>>>>>> have a tough time to find a school that will
>>>>>>>>>>> take 3 dependents because they provided
>>>>>>>>>>> housing, airfare, tuition and insurance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For overseas $$ is different. You of course
>>>>>>>>>>> need to consider how much you need to cover
>>>>>>>>>>> obligations at home, and what you need to save
>>>>>>>>>>> for retirement. Most schools don't pay into
>>>>>>>>>>> SSI, but you can if you are willing to pay your
>>>>>>>>>>> portion and the employer. Your husband will not
>>>>>>>>>>> make $40,000 overseas, but he will get housing,
>>>>>>>>>>> some utilities, full insurance, private school
>>>>>>>>>>> tuition, probably no commute/freedom from
>>>>>>>>>>> having 2 cars., no taxes! You must ask what you
>>>>>>>>>>> can save!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The good news is that I'm hearing more and more
>>>>>>>>>>> that job fairs are out and tel. interviews are
>>>>>>>>>>> in!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What is your timeline to go overseas? Sept, or
>>>>>>>>>>> farther out? L
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> My husband is the teacher and my background
>>>>>>>>>>>> is HR. Although, I was looking at going back
>>>>>>>>>>>> to school to finish my certification which I
>>>>>>>>>>>> started from 1995-1996. I had to stop as we
>>>>>>>>>>>> had our first child and then our second one
>>>>>>>>>>>> 18 months later. My husband teaches science.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We are pretty open to areas. He is currently
>>>>>>>>>>>> earning around 40k as a first year teacher.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He has a BS and 34 hrs toward Masters. He has
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 courses left to finish to get his Masters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what other info you need. Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>> for your help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, My aunt worked for DODDS for 30+ years
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I have friends that have worked for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DODDS and for Int'l schools. Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compares to DODDS!!! If you can get in go
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for it. My hsuband and I have been trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to 9 years. It is super hard to get in,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even for people with lots of expereince and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suposed connections. Luck I guess! The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools don't compare but the search
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agencies for Int'l Schools are much easier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to utilize and your chance of getting a job
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are 1000% higher. DODDS are all American
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids, In't schools aren't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until now there has been a teacher shortage
>>>>>>>>>>>>> overseas. Over the last several years I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been working with recent graduates
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no experience so they do get hired. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collegue last year, 22 and straight out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> college, broke her first teaching contract
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (did 1 of 2 years) and was hired for a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inl't job for the next year by phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interview. If she can, you can!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you teach??? Your kids will be no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem if both of you teach. You usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get 1 kid free per teacher. All
>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits/flights/tuition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never done ISS because they wanted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all these essays and when I first got
>>>>>>>>>>>>> started I didn't have the minimum # of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years required to sign up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have only used Search Associates. Thier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> website has some good links and info. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a job fair in late June after school
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets out. They will be honest about your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chances. TIE online I think is cheap or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> free and many hires are interviewed on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype. I know some people that have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy with QSI. qsi.org They have an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> online application and are all over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> world in interesting places.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of your chance depends on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> flexibility for location, type of school,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and salary requirements. Do you need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything special for your kids? Let me know
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I can help.L On 2/10/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Lisa:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have read several of your posts and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have been quite helpful. My husband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a first year teacher (2nd career) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is currently a long-term sub. His
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certification is in science
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Biology-grades 7-12), but has also been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teaching physical science. He applied to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DoDDS and DDESS and due to the budget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis, who knows if that will even pan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. My question is what is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likelihood if he were to apply through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the other agencies you mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that he would get a job. We have 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> children as well. I don't think he will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to go to the job fairs. I looked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into ISS online, and have been a little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apprehensive. How do these agencies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare to DoDDS?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>

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