I am certainly hoping that they make him a job offer. The
interview is only 30 minutes. Not sure what the chances are of
being able to secure a job. The fact that they are bringing him
in is a good sign, don't you think?

On 2/20/09, Lisa wrote:
> That is AWESOME!!!
> Seriously, there is nothing better for $, benefits, job
> security etc. It also solves the problem of you not being
> finished yet. I always tell my husband if I could go to DODDS
> in Japan and have the base amenities and the culture outside
> the gate, I would never leave!
>
> Definately tell me how it works out!
>
> On 2/19/09, Debbie wrote:
>> Well, my husband got an interview for DoDDS at their job
>> fair in March. I am hoping this will be it. What do you
>> think?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/18/09, lisa wrote:
>>> Sorry PI is Philipines. Brent schools are there,
>>> Manila, Subic and maybe
>>> another. There are a lot of schools in Japan too.
>>>
>>> On 2/18/09, DEbbie wrote:
>>>> What is PI? Sorry, I have brain freeze. :) Brent
>>>> schools are in Japan? I am lost.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/17/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> About the heritage thing, the weird thing is that i
>>>>> didn't hear slurs. some political stuff that was
>>>>> parroted, but no big deal. what was
>>>> weird
>>>>> was that the average person we had contact with
>>>>> didn't care, but the ministry had its rules about
>>>>> content and books. It only took one parent to
>>>>> complain to make something a big deal. Lots of
>>>>> stuff was banned the kids just figured out what it
>>>>> was and ordered it on Amazon.or. "What is
>>>>> _______?" "Sorry it is illegal for me to
>>>>> tell you." "Ok I'll look it up later at
>>>>> home."
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out international schools in Japan or PI.
>>>>> Brent schools are supposed to be good. Brent Subic
>>>>> (there is more than one) is on the old navy base.
>>>>> There are lots of great adventures out there. I'm
>>>>> excited for you. L.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/17/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>> It is a computer that pulls your name for DoDDS?
>>>>>> Are you serious? So it is just random. Well that
>>>>>> would make sense for people who have been waiting
>>>>>> years. I wonder what the criteria is for the
>>>>>> computer. That really sucks!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could keep my heritage a secret. What would
>>>>>> probably bother me, would be the slurs. My
>>>>>> husband does not want to live in a place where he
>>>>>> cannot have all of us. Rightfully, so!! :) So,
>>>>>> Bahrain would be out of the question. We are
>>>>>> hoping to go to Okinawa. I have heard so many
>>>>>> great things about it. It is pretty far away, and
>>>>>> I know I would be homesick, but I could get over
>>>>>> that as long as we are all together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/17/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, I agree I had friends that worked in Israel
>>>>>>> and they loved it but they had to follow the
>>>>>>> security rules from the embassy and ended up
>>>>>>> locked down in their apt a lot. This was
>>>>>>> several years ago. Pakistan is really cool, but
>>>>>>> it is poor too so is Bangladesh. Security is a
>>>>>>> worry too at times. Gulf is very safe, but you
>>>>>>> would have to not let on about your heritage
>>>>>>> and the censorship is stupid and would get on
>>>>>>> your nerves. I think I haven't been selected by
>>>>>>> DODDS for several reasons, base closures and
>>>>>>> transfers take priority, This summer there were
>>>>>>> 100 teachers displaced and waiting. There is no
>>>>>>> retirement age and people hold on. Also many of
>>>>>>> the bases are going to 6 month deployments
>>>>>>> without dependents. From my aunt, I heard
>>>>>>> Livorno in Italy has lost 1/2 its kids. I
>>>>>>> doesn't help that it is a computer pulling
>>>>>>> names. in July I was notified of a job in
>>>>>>> Bahrain but it was without dependants. I have a
>>>>>>> husband and 2 kids. My degree doesn't line up
>>>>>>> exactly with my certification and what I want
>>>>>>> to teach and I don't think that the computer
>>>>>>> can sort through all of it. I keep updating my
>>>>>>> file, but once I heard about the bases slowing
>>>>>>> family deployments I am more doubtful than
>>>>>>> ever. They also wanted a ton of expereince when
>>>>>>> I first signed up.. I don't know the
>>>>>>> requirements now. One great thing about them is
>>>>>>> that they ahve thier own system for teaching
>>>>>>> certificates, so once you are in you maintain
>>>>>>> with them and don't have to jump through the
>>>>>>> hoops set my state. We both have been teaching
>>>>>>> Elem for years and love it, but originally we
>>>>>>> were HS people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/16/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>>>> That is pretty helpful. I would not consider
>>>>>>>> Israel and I am Jewish ( my husband is not).
>>>>>>>> Scares me too much as well. I too do not know
>>>>>>>> if I could handle the poverty in India. I
>>>>>>>> would be willing to go to China as would my
>>>>>>>> husband. I could consider Pakistan as we have
>>>>>>>> very wealthy friends who live there. They
>>>>>>>> went to school with my brothers here in the
>>>>>>>> States.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do you think you have not yet been
>>>>>>>> selected to work for DoDDS? What subjects do
>>>>>>>> you and your husband teach? It may be on
>>>>>>>> another posting of yours, but I cannot
>>>>>>>> remember.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/15/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi, i totally understand! My kids are now
>>>>>>>>> jsut old enough that I have to worry about
>>>>>>>>> school from their perspective besides just
>>>>>>>>> friends, soon enough I will see if they are
>>>>>>>>> into sports..... I'm glad that I just don't
>>>>>>>>> have to worry so much now about bills. It
>>>>>>>>> takes a lot of weight off. They best place
>>>>>>>>> is hard..... As for the Middle East safety
>>>>>>>>> is not a problem, REALLY.I was there in
>>>>>>>>> 2001 and it was really ok. DOn't believe
>>>>>>>>> TV. I probably would be nervous to go to
>>>>>>>>> Israel to work more than any others. Some
>>>>>>>>> of the for profit schools are not that
>>>>>>>>> great and there is not a lot do. Dubai has
>>>>>>>>> a lot to do but can be expensive. I
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't go to Pakistan right now, but I
>>>>>>>>> would go to India or Bangladesh if I
>>>>>>>>> thought I could do the poverty. North
>>>>>>>>> Africa ok, Sub Saharan too much day to day
>>>>>>>>> violence for me- car jacking, house
>>>>>>>>> invasion. China is polluted, but you can
>>>>>>>>> make a lot of money. Beijing, Shanghai have
>>>>>>>>> some excellent school. Manila does too.
>>>>>>>>> Latin America, Peru has a good reputation.
>>>>>>>>> haven't heard too much about making money
>>>>>>>>> though. THere are great school everywhere,
>>>>>>>>> and some crappy places to work you sort of
>>>>>>>>> have to research as
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> jobs come up. It is better to work at a
>>>>>>>>> school that is International and not a
>>>>>>>>> school for rich local kids. it is better to
>>>>>>>>> work for a non profit. Surf the web and
>>>>>>>>> see. L. On 2/15/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Better late than never, right? Ok, so
>>>>>>>>>> where is the best place to live as well
>>>>>>>>>> as the safest place. If we were to go the
>>>>>>>>>> Middle East, where she we go....I want a
>>>>>>>>>> really good school system not only for
>>>>>>>>>> us, but for our children. It would be
>>>>>>>>>> wonderful to be debt-free and to be able
>>>>>>>>>> to live a comfortable life for a change.
>>>>>>>>>> We are so tired of the struggling. We are
>>>>>>>>>> not looking to be wealthy, just
>>>>>>>>>> comfortable. Be able to pay the bills and
>>>>>>>>>> have left over to enjoy and also to put
>>>>>>>>>> away for retirement and college for the
>>>>>>>>>> kids.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/15/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Good Morning! Well maybe my post is
>>>>>>>>>>> going the long way around. I'm too ling
>>>>>>>>>>> winded anyway ;-) Basically, I think
>>>>>>>>>>> you should go for it and see what
>>>>>>>>>>> happens. Tieonline and QSI might be
>>>>>>>>>>> your best bets. You could
>>>>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>>>>>> just about finish the classes, if
>>>>>>>>>>> required, by late Aug. Expereince may
>>>>>>>>>>> hold you back and may not, so much is
>>>>>>>>>>> right place at right time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pay scales vary widely. It can be
>>>>>>>>>>> unintentionally misleading. Salaries
>>>>>>>>>>> range from 15k (no kidding) to 55+K.
>>>>>>>>>>> Some schools in awesome locations are
>>>>>>>>>>> offering a partially subsidized working
>>>>>>>>>>> holiday and others you can pay off all
>>>>>>>>>>> your debt by xmas. You need to figure
>>>>>>>>>>> out how much money you need to send to
>>>>>>>>>>> the US to cover bills, storage, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> For many people that put lots of jobs
>>>>>>>>>>> in Latin America and Western Europe out
>>>>>>>>>>> of range in the beginning at least. As
>>>>>>>>>>> a working couple with 2 kids we save 1
>>>>>>>>>>> salary + depending on how much travel
>>>>>>>>>>> we do xmas and spring break. we don't
>>>>>>>>>>> go to the states for xmas. I couldn't
>>>>>>>>>>> even get to disney land and taco bell
>>>>>>>>>>> when i taught in the states now we
>>>>>>>>>>> debate Cairo or Rome.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The big question is WHAT CAN WE SAVE,
>>>>>>>>>>> not what do you pay! Remember the
>>>>>>>>>>> salary is tax free in the US and
>>>>>>>>>>> overseas. You keep the gross and get
>>>>>>>>>>> housing, insurance, tickets,
>>>>>>>>>>> tuition,some shipping allowance and
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe some utilities, for all 4 of you
>>>>>>>>>>> if you are both working . If you pay
>>>>>>>>>>> taxes like in Germany they will pay you
>>>>>>>>>>> way more. Let me know how you are
>>>>>>>>>>> doing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/15/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> For some reason my answer didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> post!! Grrr. I think it went to some
>>>>>>>>>>>> admin review place, whatever that
>>>>>>>>>>>> means! If it doesn't show up my
>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday, I will write again. L On
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/14/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spoke with my admissions person
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday. For me to complete my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> French grades 7-12, I only need 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more courses and will need to write
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 state exams. I also wanted to add
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Special Ed, so I am not sure how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many more courses I need. I did the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> student teaching practicum in 1996
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I was pregnant with our first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> daughter, so that is out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would be willing to go this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> September. There is nothing holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> us back at this time. Since, I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unemployed right now, and he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> done in June with his long-term sub
>>>>>>>>>>>>> assignment (unless they offer him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> F/T), we are more than ready to go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We do have a home here, but we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to rent it out if need be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the pay scale going
>>>>>>>>>>>>> overseas? By the time my husband is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> finished, he will have 1 year of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> teaching experience under his belt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/14/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DODDS will take people with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependents, no problem. If you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not quite certified it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more difficult. Are you close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to finishing? I think it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> College of New Jersey has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program designed for people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overseas, Some place in Michigan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and also George Mason outside DC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some states will let you do a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first year job in lieu of student
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teaching. Some int'l schools will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hire you in that situation. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best school of course will hold
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out for the most expereince and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education. However you can wait
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the perfect school IF you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no overseas experience. Once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your foot is in the door it is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different recruiting experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You will have a tough time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a school that will take 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependents because they provided
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> housing, airfare, tuition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insurance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For overseas $$ is different. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course need to consider how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much you need to cover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obligations at home, and what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to save for retirement. Most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools don't pay into SSI, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can if you are willing to pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your portion and the employer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your husband will not make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $40,000 overseas, but he will get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> housing, some utilities, full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insurance, private school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tuition, probably no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commute/freedom from having 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars., no taxes! You must ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you can save!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The good news is that I'm hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more and more that job fairs are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out and tel. interviews are in!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your timeline to go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overseas? Sept, or farther out? L
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/09, Debbie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My husband is the teacher and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my background is HR. Although,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was looking at going back to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school to finish my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certification which I started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from 1995-1996. I had to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as we had our first child and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then our second one 18 months
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later. My husband teaches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science. We are pretty open to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> areas. He is currently earning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around 40k as a first year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher. He has a BS and 34 hrs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toward Masters. He has 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> courses left to finish to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his Masters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what other info you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need. Thanks for your help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/09, Lisa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, My aunt worked for DODDS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 30+ years and I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends that have worked for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DODDS and for Int'l schools.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing compares to DODDS!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get in go for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My hsuband and I have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to 9 years. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> super hard to get in, even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for people with lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expereince and suposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connections. Luck I guess!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The schools don't compare but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the search agencies for Int'l
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schools are much easier to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> utilize and your chance of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a job are 1000%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher. DODDS are all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American kids, In't schools
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until now there has been a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher shortage overseas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the last several years I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been working with recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduates with no experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so they do get hired. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collegue last year, 22 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight out of college,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broke her first teaching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contract (did 1 of 2 years)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and was hired for a new inl't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job for the next year by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone interview. If she can,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you teach??? Your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids will be no problem if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both of you teach. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually get 1 kid free per
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher. All
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits/flights/tuition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never done ISS because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they wanted all these essays
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and when I first got started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't have the minimum #
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of years required to sign up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have only used Search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associates. Thier website has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some good links and info.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have a job fair in late
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> June after school gets out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They will be honest about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your chances. TIE online I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think is cheap or free and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many hires are interviewed on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype. I know some people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that have been very happy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with QSI. qsi.org They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an online application and are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all over the world in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting places.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of your chance depends
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your flexibility for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location, type of school, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> salary requirements. Do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need anything special for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your kids? Let me know if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can help.L On 2/10/09, Debbie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Lisa:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have read several of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posts and they have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite helpful. My husband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a first year teacher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (2nd career) and is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently a long-term sub.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> His certification is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science (Biology-grades
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7-12), but has also been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teaching physical science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He applied to DoDDS and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DDESS and due to the budget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis, who knows if that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will even pan out. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question is what is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likelihood if he were to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apply through some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other agencies you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned that he would get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a job. We have 2 children
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well. I don't think he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be able to go to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job fairs. I looked into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ISS online, and have been a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little apprehensive. How do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these agencies compare to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DoDDS?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>

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