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Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman
Posted by Tarryn on 4/22/08

On 4/04/08, Mr.B wrote:
> Thank you for recognizing someone with real intelligence.
> Witha an ACT score of 30, an SAT score of 1550, and a Praxis score
> only 4 points from PERFECT, I agree... I am one smart guy.
> Also, I have taught high scholl advanced placement English
> courses for 10 years -- usually quite successfully. But teaching
> in rural Arkansas schools come with its own set of hazards. The
> teens I teach are the most disrespectful, dishonest, foul-mouthed
> bunch of over-privileged under achievers I have ever encountered.
> 50&37; of them are routinely incarcerated in the local juvenile
> detention facility, especially for violent crimes. 30 minutes of
> every 50 minute class period is spent on maintaining order.
> The administration is afraid of the parents, the parents are
> afraid of their children, and the students are afraid of NOTHING.
> I have given up on instilling in the students a sense of decorum
> and appropriate behavior for classrooms, etc. Now my main goal is
> to:1) teach the required skills, 2) complete all my assigned
> paperwork and other duties, and 3) protect myself from slander,
> blackmail, and physical harm.
> Teachers, take back the classroom! No one can do it but you
>
>
>
>> These appear to be younger kids- elementary age. If I ever
>> found out my kid was scrubbing toilets in a public building such
>> as this I would have a fit. And I hope none of those kids have
>> any underlying heart conditions. Ever think of that , smart guy?
>>
>> I think there is a definition of punishment and a definition of
>> abuse that needs to be addressed by public schools. Educators
>> with college degrees seem to have a problem with something
>> called common sense. And public policy of public schools should
>> be clearly defined so parents don't have to worry about it. BUT
>> it will take til hell freezes over when that happens. I don't
>> mind discipline for my children, but the end result is what did
>> the kid learn from the designated discipline. There is a fine
>> line between discipline and punishment.
>>
>> Its a public school not a military school. And Coaching
>> Athletics is not the same thing. What age did you say you
>> coached? I am sorry but I pay taxes for the simple reason to
>> have schools operate the right way and I would expect janitors
>> and hired help to clean bathrooms, not to have free child labor.
>> And then they say 'it didn't happen' ....yeah right. CYA mode to
>> me.
>> I would love to find out what they were actually being punished
>> for, because often the punishment doesn't fit the crime. What
>> did they do, call a teacher a poo poo head..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/03/08, Mr. B wrote:
>>> On 4/03/08, Can you post the link wrote:
>>>> This is happening in many places. It needs to be exposed..
>>>> Send it to national media....
>>>>
>>>> martha@foxnews.com
>>>> show.livedesk@foxnews.com
>>>> yourcomments@foxnews.com
>>>>
>>>> They are covering a lot of education issues lately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/09/08, Fox wrote:
>>>>> Children are being abused in Shirley Elementary School and
>>>>> it is in the Arkansas Times newspaper. Kids were first
>>>>> forced to run stairs outside the building for nearly an
>>>>> hour with out their parents being notified. These kids
>>>>> were punished i this way for losing conduct points of 10
>>>>> points or more. Conduct points were for talking out of
>>>>> turn or chewing gum or not turning in complete work.
>>>> Even
>>>>> worse than this a young girl was made to clean the
>>>>> bathrooms twice a day for a few days with a tooth brush
>>>> and
>>>>> it was only found out when the child was taken to the Dr
>>>>> for medical treatment. The school says it didnt happen
>>>>> but we know it did. In the Arkansas Times the Principal
>>>>> and Superintendent admit to having kids clean bathrooms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Discipline is one thing and abuse is another.
>>>
>>>
>>> Some of you seem to have a skewed idea of what "abuse" is.
>>> The students are responsible for following the established
>>> rules or they suffer the punishment. They are always free to
>>> change schools if their families so desire.
>>> For two years under one PE coach, we were required to run
>>> laps until we vomited. Although unpleasant, not one student
>>> was harmed because of this "abuse.
I will tell you what they were punished for. The toilets
overflowed. Imagine that. Seems thats is the norm for that school.
But it just so happens these little girls were in the restroom at the
time.

Posts on this thread, including this one

• Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 3/09/08, by Fox.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 3/09/08, by Jane.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary, 3/23/08, by Jordan Riak.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 4/03/08, by Can you post the link.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 4/03/08, by Get Tort Attorneys.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 4/03/08, by Mr. B.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 4/03/08, by Well Mr. B.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 4/04/08, by Mr.B.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 4/04/08, by Mr.B.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 4/22/08, by Tarryn.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 4/22/08, by Tarryn.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 6/18/08, by UofCJD.
• Re: Abuse in Shirley Elementary by Cindy Coleman, 6/21/08, by yeah right.