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MOTHER OF ALL SHORTAGES HERE NOW

by Karl

May 3, 2016

It's so bad because many older teaches are retiring, some going to other states where pay is higher, and others giving up because of the low pay. How is Arizona going to run it's schools with no real teachers teaching?

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jasped On 5/27/16, vannmom wrote: > I appreciate that we have the opportunity to connect with > fellow teachers, but unfortunately the majority of what I see > on here on negative comments. > > Arizona schools are in crisis, which affects thousands and > thousands of our students. We cannot make changes when we are > part of the probl...See More

May 31, 2016

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May 31, 2016

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To Jasped I'm so tired of the story of how teachers didn't go into the profession for money. My family has so many issues where money certainly would help, and we deserve to be paid at least more than the garbage man. We would love to take and talk about all the fabulous vacations that all our friends take. We are lucky to afford a park lunch with peanut bu...See More I'm so tired of the story of how teachers didn't go into the profession for money. My family has so many issues where money certainly would help, and we deserve to be paid at least more than the garbage man. We would love to take and talk about all the fabulous vacations that all our friends take. We are lucky to afford a park lunch with peanut butter sandwiches on what we make.

On 5/31/16, jasped wrote: > On 5/27/16, vannmom wrote: >> I appreciate that we have the opportunity to connect with >> fellow teachers, but unfortunately the majority of what I see >> on here on negative comments. >> >> Arizona schools are in crisis, which affects thousands and >> thousands of our students. We cannot make changes when we are >> part of the problem and not part of the solution. Complaining >> but not being willing to be part of the change is not helpful. >> >> My husband and myself have been teaching in AZ for 6 years. >> Yes it's been a challenge, but we own a home, have two cars >> and are able to support our children. >> >> No school is perfect, but we didn't get into teaching for the >> money and the accolades. Our focus should be on helping the >> students be successful and we can do that by being a positive >> opportunity for change. Be that person who encourages and >> looks for solutions. > That is fine for you. I worked in AZ for 10 years though before I pulled out. > Saw massive corruption, working conditions that got worse not better, > reports to CPS that were tossed into trash by Arpaio's gang and a loss of > morale by teachers who were wonderful but chased away by crazy admin, > Career Ladder promises that fell flat, reading teachers dismissed, and > testing the norm. Threats by admin when heels were dug in and refusal to > break laws or change scores were part of the parcel. No raises for 6 years > and lots of praise for those that worked 7 days a week although it was > mostly a gab fest on weekends. ESL students placed in special ed because of > testing biases. Went to Massachusetts and found 2nd graders were reading > material thst could not be read by 4th graders in AZ. These were poor, > disadvantaged kids but they learned and teachers did not put in 60 hour > weeks. Paid a decent wage and able to put food on table. A union that has a > voice is also possible in the real world where burnt out teachers actually > have kids that learn.

Jun 2, 2016

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anon On 6/02/16, To Jasped wrote:
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> I'm so tired of the story of how teachers didn't go into
> the profession for money. My family has so many issues
> where money certainly would help, and we deserve to be
> paid at least more than the garbage man. We would love to
> take and talk about all the fabulous
vacat...See More

Jun 4, 2016

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anon On 6/04/16, anon wrote: > On 6/02/16, To Jasped wrote: >> >> I'm so tired of the story of how teachers didn't go into >> the profession for money. My family has so many issues >> where money certainly would help, and we deserve to be >> paid at least more than the garbage man. We would love to >> take and talk...See MoreOn 6/04/16, anon wrote: > On 6/02/16, To Jasped wrote: >> >> I'm so tired of the story of how teachers didn't go into >> the profession for money. My family has so many issues >> where money certainly would help, and we deserve to be >> paid at least more than the garbage man. We would love to >> take and talk about all the fabulous > vacations >> that all our friends take. We are lucky to afford a park >> lunch with peanut butter sandwiches on what we make. >> >> >> >> >> On 5/31/16, jasped wrote: >>> On 5/27/16, vannmom wrote: >>>> I appreciate that we have the opportunity to connect >>>> with fellow teachers, but unfortunately the majority of >>>> what I > see >>>> on here on negative comments. >>>> >>>> Arizona schools are in crisis, which affects thousands >>>> and thousands of our students. We cannot make changes >>>> when we > are >>>> part of the problem and not part of the solution. > Complaining >>>> but not being willing to be part of the change is not > helpful. >>>> >>>> My husband and myself have been teaching in AZ for 6 >>>> years. Yes it's been a challenge, but we own a home, >>>> have two cars and are able to support our children. >>>> >>>> No school is perfect, but we didn't get into teaching >>>> for > the >>>> money and the accolades. Our focus should be on helping >>>> the students be successful and we can do that by being >>>> a > positive >>>> opportunity for change. Be that person who encourages >>>> and looks for solutions. >>> That is fine for you. I worked in AZ for 10 years though > before >> I pulled out. >>> Saw massive corruption, working conditions that got >>> worse not >> better, >>> reports to CPS that were tossed into trash by Arpaio's >>> gang > and >> a loss of >>> morale by teachers who were wonderful but chased away by > crazy >> admin, >>> Career Ladder promises that fell flat, reading teachers >> dismissed, and >>> testing the norm. Threats by admin when heels were dug >>> in and >> refusal to >>> break laws or change scores were part of the parcel. No > raises >> for 6 years >>> and lots of praise for those that worked 7 days a week > although >> it was >>> mostly a gab fest on weekends. ESL students placed in >>> special >> ed because of >>> testing biases. Went to Massachusetts and found 2nd >>> graders >> were reading >>> material thst could not be read by 4th graders in AZ. >>> These >> were poor, >>> disadvantaged kids but they learned and teachers did not >>> put > in >> 60 hour >>> weeks. Paid a decent wage and able to put food on table. >>> A >> union that has a >>> voice is also possible in the real world where burnt out >> teachers actually >>> have kids that learn. > > > I totally agree with you. This is basically a sexist > statement because the overwhelming majority of teachers > are women. We should just sit back and take the lousy pay > and benefits as compared to male dominated jobs by paying > the "child" or "calling" card that we are "not doing it > for the money." What a person is really saying is we are > going to underpay you and if you don't like it, there's > the door.

I meant "playing" the "child" or "calling" card.

Jun 4, 2016

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