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Ali

    Actually, they're called -- say it with me -- books. They're neat things with pretty words and sentences in them. They
    have information that is pertinent to this debate. Of course, you
    wouldn't want to look at anything that might cause you to question
    you're religiously-held beliefs about your pre-eminence, would you?

    Oh well. Your loss.

    15 vs. 43. We're equal on stats. What else can you dig up, math
    teacher?

    On 6/10/08, Math Teacher wrote:
    > Just more excuses.
    >
    > On 6/10/08, Ali wrote:
    >> ESL's not the only problem. Poverty and lack of parental
    >> education as well as the way schools are funded add extensively
    >> to the difficulties American educators face.
    >>
    >> If you want to read up on our national education system, you
    >> should look into Jonathon Kozol's Savage Inequalities and Shame
    >> of the Nation.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 6/07/08, Math teacher wrote:
    >>> Your argument falls apart quickly when you look at the facts.
    >>>
    >>> All state measurements in the listing noted use averages. So
    >>> it is an apples-apples comparison.
    >>>
    >>> ESL is also not a factor since the lowest states on the list
    >>> are not ESL states. Are the people in Maine speaking French-
    >>> Canadian and that is why they are so low? Is South Carolina
    >>> now considered a border state? Why are Arizona and New Mexico
    >>> so much higher than California? They have large ESL/Spanish
    >>> populations.
    >>>
    >>> No, there is no ESL correlation. You are trying to dance
    >>> around the facts.
    >>>
    >>> California education is in the lower 1/3 of the country.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 6/06/08, Goody Goody wrote:
    >>>> CA is #35 according to the site.
    >>>>
    >>>> These are "average" scores.
    >>>>
    >>>> CA did pretty well for a being such large state that is
    >>>> dealing with so many ESL/ELA students.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 6/06/08, Get a life wrote:
    >>>>> For those whiners who want to be politically correct
    >>>>> and "goody goody"
    >>>>>
    >>>>> State SAT scores for 2007
    >>>>> http://www.midwestsites.com/stellent2/groups/public/documen
    >>>>> ts/pub/mws_am_ed_000924.hcsp
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Colorado #18
    >>>>> California #36
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Not even close.