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Re: Change will not happen with the National Debt/Market cri
Posted by TerryB on 9/24/08

Jamie,
For what it's worth, Georgia will be introducing a bill
for school choice vouchers, so when it passes this
year...come on up and teach in Georgia.

On 9/24/08, anon wrote:
> I hate to break it to you but how is Obama gonna
> 'change' anything when we
> have no money and there is trillions of dollars in
> deficit.
>
>
>
> On 9/23/08, jamie wrote:
>> Dear Mike, Actually my name is really Jamie and I am
>> really a Florida teacher. I teach at Patterson
>> Elementary School in Panama City, Florida. I happen
>> to LOVE the idea of charter schools and private
>> schools and being able to send your kid to school
>> where ever you please. I'm glad you disagree. Just
>> wanted to let you know that I'm really a teacher.
>>
>> On 9/21/08, mike wrote:
>>> Dear jamie , You are a troll and a liar. You are
>>> not a Florida teacher. Working with kids and
>>> working in an office is very different. Florida
>>> teachers don't support charter school. Boo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/20/08, jamie wrote:
>>>> 1) Well, I am a Florida teacher and strongly feel
>>>> that tenure is what's wrong with our schools!
>>>> Yeah it keeps teachers "safe" but it
>>>> that includes the bad ones also. The teachers who
>>>> suck no matter how much training or advice
>>>> they're given. The ones who are in it just
>>>> because it's a job. There's one at EVERY school
>>>> and you know it! Also, just like any other work
>>>> place you can speak your mind. You may just have
>>>> to pay a price. As with any other job! Why are we
>>>> any different?? 2)Teachers at charter schools may
>>>> work 12 hour days but guess what - So do most
>>>> other teachers!!!! 3)I don't know about your
>>>> charter schools but we have a local one and it's
>>>> the BEST! Even on FCAT. They don't have teachers
>>>> who can't get a job in public school. They
>>>> recruit the very best. And they make more money
>>>> than me too. 4)No, there's no retirement. But
>>>> those teachers know what they're getting into.
>>>> That's why they plan ahead for the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess is you're not a teacher? Private and
>>>>> charter schools offer no tenure (so once a
>>>>> teacher starts speaking up or gets too high on
>>>>> the salary scale they're fired), they have no
>>>>> unions (so teachers can be required to work 12
>>>>> hours a day at one school and 8 hours at
>>>>> another: how's that fair?) Also they pay
>>>>> whatever they feel like paying, needless to say
>>>>> the salaries aren't great, and so the
>>>>> principal's buddy with less experience may get
>>>>> paid more. Finally, they do not have state
>>>>> retirement (which is a big reason the GOP loves
>>>>> them: why should little teachers get a great
>>>>> retirement from the taxpayers? Only bigwigs
>>>>> like them should have that, right?) Also, with
>>>>> privates and charters can shut down due to lack
>>>>> of $ or mismanagement of it quickly and as a
>>>>> result, lay off teachers. Where would those
>>>>> teachers get hired? In the public system there
>>>>> is seniority so the newest ones go. Thus, job
>>>>> stability is poor in non-public schools.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a result of all of the above, most private
>>>>> and charter schools hire the leftover teachers
>>>>> who couldn't find public school jobs, and it
>>>>> reflects in their FCAT scores. I was so gleeful
>>>>> to see how many public schools got an A in my
>>>>> district, and not ONE charter did!!!!! If
>>>>> they're so great, why doesn't it show up on the
>>>>> FCAT?
>>>>>
>>>>> These are the facts about public education!


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