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Re: ELL/ESL endorsement...SPEDHEAD
Posted by spedhead on 7/14/08

On 7/08/08, TTH wrote:
> If you need a qualified middle school math teacher at your school,
> my daughter would love to be interviewed if possible. She's a gem!!

I try not to identify my district or school on this website because I
want the freedom to be honest. I'm the special education dept head at
a middle school in a mid-sized Dupage County district. We pay well,
but some districts pay better. Thats as close as I'll get to
identifying myself or district.

I don't have anything to do with hiring regular ed math teachers.
However, as I've mentioned in posts on here, the Math Dept. Head at my
school has issues finding qualified people just like we do in the
special education dept. He complains that out of 3 open jobs, he only
has 6 qualified applicants, and of course some of those applicants will
take other jobs at other districts, and some will just be plain weird,
so it makes it hard to hire quality people. I don't know what the
status is on the math openings we had. I've just gotten back from
vacation and don't plan on going back to school for several weeks
unless one of my sped teachers up and quits on us.

I do know that we frequenly have math (and sped) openings up until the
first day of school. I hope, for our sakes, thats not the case this
year, but who knows? Your daughter SHOULD already have her application
into us, as well as all the nearby districts if DuPage County is in her
area. She should update her application now, even if the districts
don't have openings, so we know she's still on the market if we have
last minute need. An application that was completed/updated in May,
lets say, will get passed over for something completed recently because
we want to spend our limited time talking to people who are still looking.

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>
> On 6/29/08, spedhead wrote:
>> On 6/27/08, TTH wrote:
>>> What exactly is the difference between ESL and ELL? My
>>> daughter has an 03 certificate with endorsements in language
>>> arts and mathematics. She has subbed for 3 years and cannot
>>> find a full time teaching position. It's so frustrating. How
>>> long does it take to get an ESL or ELL endorsement? Thanks!
>>
>> She can teach middle school math and she can't find a job? The
>> math dept. head has trouble finding qualified people at my
>> school, so that's suprising.
>>
>> ESL and ELL is basically the same thing. It is the same
>> certification on your certificate. I think ISBE still puts ESL,
>> but most schools will call the classes and teaching positions
>> ELL. ESL is English as a Second Language and ELL is English
>> Language Learner. In IL (and I hear these definitions vary by
>> state) ESL/ELL classrooms are taught in English and have students
>> who speak many different languages. Spanish speakers, in
>> Chicagoland anyway, are usually in a situation where there are
>> enough of them to warrant hiring Billingual teachers. ESL/ELL
>> will be used for the classroom that has 3 kids speaking Chinese,
>> 4 speaking Polish, 1 speaks Thai, 1 speaks some African dialect
>> you can't pronounce and so on.
>>
>> In education, we typically relable everything. A bunch of
>> educators got together, thought the "English as a Second
>> Language" was either offensive or inaccurate, and so they changed
>> it to somethign they thought was more appropriate. They probably
>> spent a lot of money and time, and walked away thinking they did
>> something meaningful, but they really just changed an accronym.
>> It happens in Special Education ALL the time and just serves to
>> confuse people.
>>
>> Imagine if you were trying to teach someone to drive and there
>> were 5 names for the break. You tell your kid to break, and he
>> doesn't know what you're talking about because in Driver's Ed, it
>> was called the Car Arrestor or something. Its basically like
>> that in education.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/19/08, Merrill wrote:
>>>> I looked into the endorsement for ELL in Illinois, and in
>>>> addition to coursework, you need to have 100 hours or
>>>> teaching ESL students.
>>>>
>>>> The woman I spoke with mentioned that there are programs
>>>> that teachers can sign up for that will allow you to get
>>>> these hours--even in the summer. Some kind of paid
>>>> internship.
>>>>
>>>> This sounds really good! Does anyone know anything about
>>>> this?


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Posts on this thread, including this one


• ELL/ESL endorsement, 6/19/08, by Merrill.
• Re: ELL/ESL endorsement, 6/27/08, by TTH.
• Re: ELL/ESL endorsement, 6/29/08, by spedhead.
• Re: ELL/ESL endorsement, 7/02/08, by Cecilia.
• Re: ELL/ESL endorsement...SPEDHEAD, 7/08/08, by TTH.
• Re: ELL/ESL endorsement...SPEDHEAD, 7/14/08, by spedhead.
• Re: ELL/ESL endorsement...SPEDHEAD, 9/25/08, by ASPD.