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    Re: Unemployment Benefits Substitute Teacher

    I am a sub that rarely gets called for whatever reason - during the
    school year I get unemployment since the schools in my area don't
    bother to call me too often. During the summer from June till Aug. 24
    I do not get unemployment since they assume the schools will call me
    some day.

    On 4/03/13, There's absolutely no harm in applying wrote:
    > Don't know if you're speaking from experience or presumption, but of
    > course I don't live in Illinois so I'm no expert on your state laws
    > (or your union lawyers, which may be the true deciding factor).
    > Our union has successfully argued that for substitute teachers, the
    > sudden loss of workdays during the summer months is the equivalent
    > of being laid off from any other job when business dries up. (Note,
    > too, that the term "laid off" has not always been a pseudonym for
    > "fired." Traditionally, and particularly with union jobs, people
    > who were laid off when a business fell on hard times were called
    > back to work when the business turned things around and could afford
    > to make that "Please come back!" call.
    > In summertime, most of our customers (a.k.a. the students' parents)
    > stop doing business with our company (a.k.a. the school district).
    > Since substitute pay varies from person to person, and is totally
    > dependent on the district's staffing needs from moment to moment,
    > those people's situation is qualitatively different from that of a
    > teacher with a contract that says, "This is how much money we will
    > pay you this year."
    > As it's been explained to me, too, the subs' cause is aided by our
    > district's tiered system for determining their per diem pay. For
    > the first 30 days they work for our district in any given school
    > year, substitute teachers make X dollars per day. For the second
    > thirty days, they make X+Y dollars per day. Once they've worked
    > sixty days, every assignment after that earns them X+Y+Y dollars per
    > day.
    > HOWEVER, when the following school year commences, every single
    > substitute teacher goes back to square one and is paid only X
    > dollars per day for the first 30 days (lather, rinse, repeat).
    > Compare that with classroom teachers, many of whom get an annual
    > bump up the pay scale, however small that bump may be. That's how
    > EMPLOYEES are treated. For subs, though, it's as though all their
    > prior service never happened. On the first day of school, a brand
    > new substitute teacher is making the exact same daily pay as
    > somebody who's been subbing for 20 years.
    > Bottom line, the District Poobahs can't have it both ways.
    > If they truly expect certain teachers to return on Day One in the
    > fall, then no fair pretending those teachers are complete strangers
    > whose prior service counts for shić.
    > But...
    > If the District Poobahs want to save a few bucks on Day One by
    > revoking certain teachers' prior pay raises as though they're
    > complete strangers, then no fair telling the unemployment office
    > that those teachers are veteran employees with guaranteed longevity.
    > Maybe the law does vary from state to state; I don't know. But it
    > would be a shame if people who ARE eligible for summer benefits
    > aren't applying for them because they assume they'll be denied.
    > When in doubt, go ahead and apply! Maybe you'll be pleasantly
    > surprised, and if not, it's not as though you've lost anything by
    > filling out the form.
    > But again, if you don't fill out the form, you're absolutely sure to
    > get nothing. So apply, apply, apply. The worst that will happen
    > is, your state will say "No." But you'll never know if you don't
    > apply, so it makes no sense to just assume the worst. If there's a
    > "SUI" deduction (as in State Unemployment Insurance) on your
    > paychecks, then you ARE paying into your state's unemployment fund.
    > If substitute teachers were, by definition, ineligible to draw from
    > that fund, then it would be illegal to force you to contribute.
    > On 4/03/13, anon wrote:
    >> I will tell you how it is in most areas of the United States:
    >> Substitute teachers CANNOT get unemployment benefits because
    >> they are employees--it matters NOT if they are paid by the day
    >> or how they are paid or how much. They are assumed to be
    >> returning the following year, so they aren't considered laid
    >> off.
    >> Teachers who are fired, non-renewed, or RIF'd CAN get UI because
    >> they are no longer considered employees. Substitutes are still
    >> employees.
    >> Having or not having a contract has NOTHING to do with UI.
    >> On 4/02/13, Subs are day-to-day employees; they have no contract
    >> wrote:
    >>> And they're paid a daily rate. Classroom teachers are on
    >>> contract; they agree to work 180 days a year and return the
    >>> following year (unless they're disinvited, in which case
    >>> they can get unemployment benefits too).
    >>> So classroom teachers are considered district employees
    >>> during the summertime. Subs are not, unless they apply to
    >>> teach summer school.
    >>> On 4/01/13, anon wrote:
    >>>> How could they be eligible for UI any more than regular
    >>>> teachers or
    >>>> classified?
    >>>> Subs are considered employees, after all.
    >>>> It may depend on the state.
    >>>> On 4/01/13, Our subs are full union members here wrote:
    >>>>> And every spring, the union reps go around reminding
    >>>>> all of them to at apply for unemployment. Apparently,
    >>>>> at least some of those applications are approved.
    >>>>> The district's response has been to encourage all the
    >>>>> subs to teach summer school (as in, we have work
    >>>>> available for you during the summer, so if you don't
    >>>>> apply for that, don't try to get unemployment.)
    >>>>> But there aren't many absences during summer
    >>>>>'s only five or six weeks long. So I guess
    >>>>> the worst that would happen is, somebody would get
    >>>>> unemployment benefits, and then have to pay back one
    >>>>> or two days worth if they do happen to get any job
    >>>>> calls over the summer.
    >>>>> In any event, there's absolutely no harm in applying.
    >>>>> The surest way to get no unemployment at all is by
    >>>>> failing to apply for it. And if you're having
    >>>>> unemployment funds deducted from every single
    >>>>> paycheck during the school year, applying for summer
    >>>>> benefits is certainly you're right. The fund exists
    >>>>> for a reason, after all; that's why people have to
    >>>>> pay into it.
    >>>>> On 3/31/13, anon wrote:
    >>>>>> One can apply, but the chances are overwhelming a
    >>>>>> substitute teacher will not get it.
    >>>>>> This is true all over the country. A sub is
    >>>>>> considered an employee of a school district with a
    >>>>>> reasonable chance of working the next year, the
    >>>>>> same as a regular teacher.
    >>>>>> I am surprised in IL school districts don't mail a
    >>>>>> notice to each sub that says a substitute teacher
    >>>>>> isn't eligible for UI. They do it in my state.
    >>>>>> On 3/31/13, oops...kitten on keyboard. APPLY for
    >>>>>> unemployment! wrote:
    >>>>>>> On 3/31/13, Apply, apply, apply for unemployment
    >>>>>>> during the summer wrote:
    >>>>>>> The worst that can happen is, you'll be turned
    >>>>>>> down. The best result, though, is that some
    >>>>>>> underpaid, overworked human being in your local
    >>>>>>> unemployment office will recognize, "Hey, no
    >>>>>>> way is this substitute teacher getting any work
    >>>>>>> when school's out of session. Benefits Approved!
    >>>>>>> ::stamp stamp stamp:: Next file?"
    >>>>>>> NOBODY can stop you from applying. Do it, do it,
    >>>>>>> do it, and hope for the best.
    >>>>>>>> On 3/30/13, anon wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On 5/20/10, Molly wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> Can substitute teachers collect
    >>>>>>>>>> unemployment benefits during the summer
    >>>>>>>>>> months? I have probably worked 150 day for
    >>>>>>>>>> the school district I am at.
    >>>>>>>>> No, because you are still considered an
    >>>>>>>>> employee, just like anybody else who is laid
    >>>>>>>>> off from a school district for the summer.