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    Re: This is My Illinois
    anon

    Teachers don't get "free" retirement, you troll. Have you ever heard of
    "deferred compensation"? Look it up and then try to write intelligently
    about pensions. Private companies that still have defined benefit pensions
    and not these junk 401(k)s have the same thing. You work x number of years
    and then this is the benefit you get each month.

    This is what public employee pensions are--deferred compensation. If you
    didn't have them, these pension amounts would be added to their salaries.

    But of course you can't argue the point because you don't know what you are
    talking about.

    You are a total liar.

    On 11/29/12, Merrill wrote:
    > On 11/29/12, therealsped wrote:
    >> On 11/27/12, Merrill wrote:
    >>> No, you are wrong. You haven't done any research on this and you are
    >>> talking out your backside as usual.
    >>
    >> Except troll that I'm an educator who has worked for four Illinois
    >> districts and have contributed to my retirement in three of those four
    >> districts. You are an internet troll looking to start arguments by
    >> coming on a teachers' website bashing teacher pay and retirement as
    >> excessive. I've lived it, and you've heard/read about stuff... but only
    >> enough to prove what you want to believe.
    >>
    >
    > The issue here is that the teacher's unions, teachers, and the TRS have
    > outright lied to the public about the pension system: they collectively
    > asserted countless times that "teacher's pay their portion of the 9.4%
    > every year." Nonsense, the teachers have NOT paid their share, which by law
    > they are supposed to be paying. It took a watchdog group to pull public
    > records to figure out what was really going on. Even you came back and made
    > up some bogus statistic about 52% in another attempt to deceive the public,
    > until I presented you with evidence that the number is over 75%. So when
    > the big lie fails, you resort to little lies.
    >
    > You say you have paid into your pension in three out of four districts?
    > What about the fourth? Is Mandy down at Walmart picking up your pension
    > now? Must be nice getting free retirement.
    >
    >
    >>> Do you think it
    >>> is right for someone working at WalMart to pay some teacher's
    >>> pension, when that teacher is making 90k+ a year?
    >>
    >> I think people who work at Walmart should organize into a union.
    >> Nationally, they would be one of the largest ever formed. They should
    >> then strike, forming picket lines in front of every Walmart store,
    >> shutting the company down. This vile company would then have to
    >> negotiate with their employees for decent wages and benefits, including
    >> retirement benefits. Then, when you say "someone working at WalMart,"
    >> it wouldn't instantly mean someone hopelessly poor.
    >>
    >> Your goal is to make everyone like Walmart employees. Anyone who works
    >> for a living should apparently be poor. Working for mere scraps off the
    >> table of the rich. You clearly have a problem with teachers making
    >> money. You think they should be paid minimal wages and benefits, much
    >> like Walmart employees. Ultimately, I suspect this is because you do
    >> not value education and what they do.
    >
    > Spare me the class warfare bs. Illinois teachers are some of the best paid
    > in the country, and many earn more than professionals in other industries.
    > Look at the salary schedule for one district
    >
    > http://www.illinoispolicy.org/blog/blog.asp?ArticleSource=5280
    >
    > God! Those are poverty wages!
    >
    > Sure, the CPS pays less, but still pays a decent wage.
    >
    > I'm sure you cry all the way to WalMart in your Lexus. I like how the VP of
    > the teacher's union shows up at hard-core Marxist rallies, along with
    > hundreds of teachers, in order to denounce the rich, threaten the
    > government, and to call for revolution
    >
    > http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2012/11/northwestern-u-
    marxism-conference-packed-with-teachers.html
    >
    > How can we expect these people to even be remotely objective or fair in the
    > classroom? Radicals don't make good teachers.
    >
    >
    >>> Democrats whine about evil CEOs and their fat paychecks: at least
    >>> these CEO's are not using backroom, corrupt bargains to steal from me
    >>> directly! I am not forced to pay for Bill Gates' retirement!
    >>
    >> Democrats... put out this video, but they're the bad guys in your other
    >> troll adventures, I'm sure. You view teachers' wages and benefits as
    >> stealing. You can't be reasoned with. Any anti-teacher troll who comes
    >> to a teacher website to bash teachers can't be reasoned with. Because
    >> teachers bargain collectively, using something similar to economies of
    >> scale used by Walmart to negotiate with suppliers, you view them as
    >> corrupt. In fact, it is simply a case of individuals realizing that
    >> they can get a better deal when they stick together and bargain
    >> together, instead of playing individuals against one-another to exploit
    >> them, as you suggest.
    >>
    >>>As I said before, Illinois law
    >>> stipulates that a teacher must contribute to his or her own
    >>> retirement, and provides for an employer portion.
    >>
    >> Fine, every district that has negotiated trs pickup can simply give
    >> teachers a 9.4% raise and then deduct it from their checks. It works
    >> out the same. It is negotiated compensation. Of course, you don't
    >> believe that teachers should be paid, so there is no reasoning with you.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> People working at Starbucks shouldn't be paying for teacher's retirement.
    >>>
    >> They aren't. You still don't realize that you pay taxes. That ceases to
    >> be your money. The state (or other level of government) now controls
    >> that money. It is theirs. I know you don't like it, but oh well. Just
    >> as when your employer pays you, that money is no longer the employer's.
    >> It is yours. As an employer, the state and school districts in
    >> question must do nasty things like pay their employees. They even have
    >> to pay them above subsistence wages to get them to show up for work. I
    >> know you don't like it. You think these people should work for free, in
    >> chains, but it is not the case. Sorry troll.
    >
    > No, it is not a "negotiated compensation" in the sense that the taxpayers
    > had any input, or even KNOWLEDGE OF what was going on. It was a backroom
    > deal that was partially responsible for bankrupting the pension system.
    >
    > Well guess what? There is no more money.
    >
    > Maybe you should start contributing to your own damn retirement and stop
    > insisting that people working at the local WalMart pay for it. Parasite.