Re: This is My Illinois

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Furthermore, public employees ARE taxpayers, you troll.
You'd prefer teachers work for nothing.

Do you feel that way about police and fire? I bet not, but
mostly men do those jobs.

On 11/29/12, anon wrote:
> Teachers don't get "free" retirement, you
> troll. Have you ever heard of
> "deferred compensation"? Look it up and then
> try to write intelligently about pensions. Private
> companies that still have defined benefit pensions and
> not these junk 401(k)s have the same thing. You work x
> number of years and then this is the benefit you get
> each month.
>
> This is what public employee pensions are--deferred
> compensation. If you didn't have them, these pension
> amounts would be added to their salaries.
>
> But of course you can't argue the point because you
> don't know what you are talking about.
>
> You are a total liar.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/29/12, Merrill wrote:
>> On 11/29/12, therealsped wrote:
>>> On 11/27/12, Merrill wrote:
>>>> No, you are wrong. You haven't done any research
>>>> on this and you are talking out your backside as
>>>> usual.
>>>
>>> Except troll that I'm an educator who has worked
>>> for four Illinois districts and have contributed to
>>> my retirement in three of those four districts. You
>>> are an internet troll looking to start arguments by
>>> coming on a teachers' website bashing teacher pay
>>> and retirement as excessive. I've lived it, and
>>> you've heard/read about stuff... but only enough to
>>> prove what you want to believe.
>>>
>>
>> The issue here is that the teacher's unions,
>> teachers, and the TRS have outright lied to the
>> public about the pension system: they collectively
>> asserted countless times that "teacher's pay
>> their portion of the 9.4% every year." Nonsense,
>> the teachers have NOT paid their share, which by law
>> they are supposed to be paying. It took a watchdog
>> group to pull public records to figure out what was
>> really going on. Even you came back and made up some
>> bogus statistic about 52% in another attempt to
>> deceive the public, until I presented you with
>> evidence that the number is over 75%. So when the big
>> lie fails, you resort to little lies.
>>
>> You say you have paid into your pension in three out
>> of four districts? What about the fourth? Is Mandy
>> down at Walmart picking up your pension now? Must be
>> nice getting free retirement.
>>
>>
>>>> Do you think it is right for someone working at
>>>> WalMart to pay some teacher's pension, when that
>>>> teacher is making 90k+ a year?
>>>
>>> I think people who work at Walmart should organize
>>> into a union. Nationally, they would be one of the
>>> largest ever formed. They should then strike,
>>> forming picket lines in front of every Walmart
>>> store, shutting the company down. This vile company
>>> would then have to negotiate with their employees
>>> for decent wages and benefits, including retirement
>>> benefits. Then, when you say "someone working
>>> at WalMart," it wouldn't instantly mean
>>> someone hopelessly poor.
>>>
>>> Your goal is to make everyone like Walmart
>>> employees. Anyone who works for a living should
>>> apparently be poor. Working for mere scraps off the
>>> table of the rich. You clearly have a problem with
>>> teachers making money. You think they should be
>>> paid minimal wages and benefits, much like Walmart
>>> employees. Ultimately, I suspect this is because
>>> you do not value education and what they do.
>>
>> Spare me the class warfare bs. Illinois teachers are
>> some of the best paid in the country, and many earn
>> more than professionals in other industries. Look at
>> the salary schedule for one district
>>
>> http://www.illinoispolicy.org/blog/blog.asp?ArticleSo
>> urce=5280
>>
>> God! Those are poverty wages!
>>
>> Sure, the CPS pays less, but still pays a decent wage.
>>
>> I'm sure you cry all the way to WalMart in your
>> Lexus. I like how the VP of the teacher's union shows
>> up at hard-core Marxist rallies, along with hundreds
>> of teachers, in order to denounce the rich, threaten
>> the government, and to call for revolution
>>
>> http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2012
>> /11/northwestern-u-
> marxism-conference-packed-with-teachers.html
>>
>> How can we expect these people to even be remotely
>> objective or fair in the classroom? Radicals don't
>> make good teachers.
>>
>>
>>>> Democrats whine about evil CEOs and their fat
>>>> paychecks: at least these CEO's are not using
>>>> backroom, corrupt bargains to steal from me
>>>> directly! I am not forced to pay for Bill Gates'
>>>> retirement!
>>>
>>> Democrats... put out this video, but they're the
>>> bad guys in your other troll adventures, I'm sure.
>>> You view teachers' wages and benefits as stealing.
>>> You can't be reasoned with. Any anti-teacher troll
>>> who comes to a teacher website to bash teachers
>>> can't be reasoned with. Because teachers bargain
>>> collectively, using something similar to economies
>>> of scale used by Walmart to negotiate with
>>> suppliers, you view them as corrupt. In fact, it is
>>> simply a case of individuals realizing that they
>>> can get a better deal when they stick together and
>>> bargain together, instead of playing individuals
>>> against one-another to exploit them, as you
>>> suggest.
>>>
>>>> As I said before, Illinois law stipulates that a
>>>> teacher must contribute to his or her own
>>>> retirement, and provides for an employer portion.
>>>
>>> Fine, every district that has negotiated trs pickup
>>> can simply give teachers a 9.4% raise and then
>>> deduct it from their checks. It works out the same.
>>> It is negotiated compensation. Of course, you don't
>>> believe that teachers should be paid, so there is
>>> no reasoning with you.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> People working at Starbucks shouldn't be paying
>>>> for teacher's retirement.
>>>>
>>> They aren't. You still don't realize that you pay
>>> taxes. That ceases to be your money. The state (or
>>> other level of government) now controls that money.
>>> It is theirs. I know you don't like it, but oh
>>> well. Just as when your employer pays you, that
>>> money is no longer the employer's. It is yours. As
>>> an employer, the state and school districts in
>>> question must do nasty things like pay their
>>> employees. They even have to pay them above
>>> subsistence wages to get them to show up for work.
>>> I know you don't like it. You think these people
>>> should work for free, in chains, but it is not the
>>> case. Sorry troll.
>>
>> No, it is not a "negotiated compensation"
>> in the sense that the taxpayers had any input, or
>> even KNOWLEDGE OF what was going on. It was a
>> backroom deal that was partially responsible for
>> bankrupting the pension system.
>>
>> Well guess what? There is no more money.
>>
>> Maybe you should start contributing to your own damn
>> retirement and stop insisting that people working at
>> the local WalMart pay for it. Parasite.

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