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Employment for Experienced Teacher

by Matt J.

Mar 27, 2015

Hello all,

My wife has recently been offered a job in the Chicago area. I am a teacher from Michigan with 9 years of public school experience. I am certified social studies and English in grades 6-12. I am extremely nervous about the job outlook. I am wondering what the chances of me finding a teaching job in the Chicago area by next school year are. Also, are there any helpful hints you can give me in searching for employment? I would be looking in Northwest Chicago, Dupage/Will Counties. Any insights I could get would be appreciated! Thank you!

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IL SpEd Familiarize yourself with the Danielson model for evaluations, discuss SPED/coteaching experience, Common Core and PARCC.

On 3/27/15, Matt J. wrote: > Hello all, > > My wife has recently been offered a job in the Chicago area. > I am a teacher from Michigan with 9 years of public school > experience. I am certified social s...See More

Mar 27, 2015

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sped First off, it apparently now takes a few months to get your license when applying from out of state to ISBE and they have pushed many more requirements on out-of-staters than when I applied way-back-when. You may have to take classes before you can teach..., it just depends on your evaluation from the State. If you're going to do it: apply ASAP for...See MoreFirst off, it apparently now takes a few months to get your license when applying from out of state to ISBE and they have pushed many more requirements on out-of-staters than when I applied way-back-when. You may have to take classes before you can teach..., it just depends on your evaluation from the State. If you're going to do it: apply ASAP for your license.

That said: I would not bet on you getting a job. English and Social Studies are very heavily glutted. The NW Burbs are some of the nicest school districts in the area. Everyone wants to teach for District 211, District 214, Maine, New Trier, Stevenson, Niles, Glenbard, Hinsdale, District 99, etc. You may not know it, but all of those West-Northwest suburban districts are incredibly difficult to get into, even for sped, bilingual, and STEM teachers. They've graduated a LOT of college graduates over the years with connections and roots in the area.. and many of them want to teach in the communities they're from. And, why wouldn't they? They're the highest paying, best performing districts, with high performing students.

Thinking of going to one of the other suburban districts that aren't so good like U-46 or District 300? Eh, that's not much better for an English/Social Studies teacher. There are a lot of them out there. Chicago Public Schools? Maybe, but expect the worse of the worst schools on the South or West sides and you would have to live in the city of Chicago due to a residency rule. Even then..., they have more applicants than they need and CPS is cutting staff. Maybe you could get a job at an inner city Charter, but expect a long commute and all the crap that goes with a Charter.

I'm an out-of-stater who came from Michigan way back when there was a legitimate Special Ed teacher shortage. I got into a good district and now am an administrator. Now, many of our new hires are alumni, and those that aren't have other connections. Even in special ed, I have enough applications that I have to weed through some of them by giving preference to alumni... If you said you spoke Spanish, I would be bullish on you getting a job. As it is, I don't think it's going to happen.

Then, to sum up, I wouldn't advise anyone with tenure in another state to come to Illinois. I haven't kept touch with the people I went to Wayne State with, at least those who were ed majors, and don't know what is going on in Michigan. In Illinois, tenure has been eviscerated. It now only takes two bad evaluations to get rid of someone with 20 years experience. Illinois has adopted a backwards eval system..., and remember that I'm an administrator! We're so "data driven" we're ruining public education in this State which I think might have been the point of "reform."

Your wife will NOT get tenure. In Illinois, you're tenured after 4 full years. Look at seniority lists! You have a lot of people with 10+ years, and a lot of people with 3 and under. While it's easier to fire someone with tenure now, many districts aren't willing to do that. They just keep dismissing teachers before they get it. I've had to fight for a couple of teachers to get them a 4th year..., which isn't even tenured, and then they've been clipped. Absolutely disgusting. Honestly, I'm looking to maybe move into higher ed because I feel like we have destroyed our profession in IL over the last few years. Why leave a good job in Michigan to let your wife teach for 3 years max before she is RIF'ed? All the while, you work at a restaurant waiting tables. Stay where you are!

On 3/27/15, IL SpEd wrote: > Familiarize yourself with the Danielson model for evaluations, > discuss SPED/coteaching experience, Common Core and PARCC. > > > > On 3/27/15, Matt J. wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> My wife has recently been offered a job in the Chicago area. >> I am a teacher from Michigan with 9 years of public school >> experience. I am certified social studies and English in >> grades 6-12. I am extremely nervous about the job outlook. >> I am wondering what the chances of me finding a teaching >> job in the Chicago area by next school year are. Also, are >> there any helpful hints you can give me in searching for >> employment? I would be looking in Northwest Chicago, >> Dupage/Will Counties. Any insights I could get would be >> appreciated! Thank you!

Mar 30, 2015

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Matt J. I should have specified... She is not a teacher, I am.

On 3/30/15, sped wrote: > First off, it apparently now takes a few months to get your > license when applying from out of state to ISBE and they have > pushed many more requirements on out-of-staters than when I > applied way-back-when. You may have to take classes before y...See MoreI should have specified... She is not a teacher, I am.

On 3/30/15, sped wrote: > First off, it apparently now takes a few months to get your > license when applying from out of state to ISBE and they have > pushed many more requirements on out-of-staters than when I > applied way-back-when. You may have to take classes before you > can teach..., it just depends on your evaluation from the State. > If you're going to do it: apply ASAP for your license. > > That said: I would not bet on you getting a job. English and > Social Studies are very heavily glutted. The NW Burbs are some > of the nicest school districts in the area. Everyone wants to > teach for District 211, District 214, Maine, New Trier, > Stevenson, Niles, Glenbard, Hinsdale, District 99, etc. You may > not know it, but all of those West-Northwest suburban districts > are incredibly difficult to get into, even for sped, bilingual, > and STEM teachers. They've graduated a LOT of college graduates > over the years with connections and roots in the area.. and many > of them want to teach in the communities they're from. And, why > wouldn't they? They're the highest paying, best performing > districts, with high performing students. > > Thinking of going to one of the other suburban districts that > aren't so good like U-46 or District 300? Eh, that's not much > better for an English/Social Studies teacher. There are a lot > of them out there. Chicago Public Schools? Maybe, but expect > the worse of the worst schools on the South or West sides and > you would have to live in the city of Chicago due to a residency > rule. Even then..., they have more applicants than they need > and CPS is cutting staff. Maybe you could get a job at an inner > city Charter, but expect a long commute and all the crap that > goes with a Charter. > > I'm an out-of-stater who came from Michigan way back when there > was a legitimate Special Ed teacher shortage. I got into a good > district and now am an administrator. Now, many of our new > hires are alumni, and those that aren't have other connections. > Even in special ed, I have enough applications that I have to > weed through some of them by giving preference to alumni... If > you said you spoke Spanish, I would be bullish on you getting a > job. As it is, I don't think it's going to happen. > > Then, to sum up, I wouldn't advise anyone with tenure in another > state to come to Illinois. I haven't kept touch with the people > I went to Wayne State with, at least those who were ed majors, > and don't know what is going on in Michigan. In Illinois, > tenure has been eviscerated. It now only takes two bad > evaluations to get rid of someone with 20 years experience. > Illinois has adopted a backwards eval system..., and remember > that I'm an administrator! We're so "data driven" we're ruining > public education in this State which I think might have been the > point of "reform." > > Your wife will NOT get tenure. In Illinois, you're tenured > after 4 full years. Look at seniority lists! You have a lot of > people with 10+ years, and a lot of people with 3 and under. > While it's easier to fire someone with tenure now, many > districts aren't willing to do that. They just keep dismissing > teachers before they get it. I've had to fight for a couple of > teachers to get them a 4th year..., which isn't even tenured, > and then they've been clipped. Absolutely disgusting. > Honestly, I'm looking to maybe move into higher ed because I > feel like we have destroyed our profession in IL over the last > few years. Why leave a good job in Michigan to let your wife > teach for 3 years max before she is RIF'ed? All the while, you > work at a restaurant waiting tables. Stay where you are! > > On 3/27/15, IL SpEd wrote: >> Familiarize yourself with the Danielson model for evaluations, >> discuss SPED/coteaching experience, Common Core and PARCC. >> >> >> >> On 3/27/15, Matt J. wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> My wife has recently been offered a job in the Chicago area. >>> I am a teacher from Michigan with 9 years of public school >>> experience. I am certified social studies and English in >>> grades 6-12. I am extremely nervous about the job outlook. >>> I am wondering what the chances of me finding a teaching >>> job in the Chicago area by next school year are. Also, are >>> there any helpful hints you can give me in searching for >>> employment? I would be looking in Northwest Chicago, >>> Dupage/Will Counties. Any insights I could get would be >>> appreciated! Thank you!

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