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Re: Your sterotypes make you look very small!
Posted by ticked off in Michigan on 3/09/08

    On 3/09/08, trey wrote:
    > Your defense of Missing
    > Michigan, who has been asked to stay off the Michigan and Georgia
    > boards by her peers, with your small-minded, angry, disjointed,
    > ramblings, only makes you appear very much like her.

    Again, since you've quoted my post at the end of yours, you obviously
    can't be bothered to look at the name. I'm not "Missing Michigan."

    I am a teacher in Michigan who doesn't like the "southernization" of his
    state's tenure and union laws. I don't care anything about Georgia,
    except that some are trying to bring Georgia's mistreatment of teachers
    to my part of the country. And, I despise the "do it for the children"
    argument some, usually ineffective teachers make when we try to gain the
    benefits, pay, and treatment we deserve. As I pointed out, students
    benefit when they have professional teachers who feel valued with good
    compensation. The usually do not benefit when they have gushing
    charity-work-types teaching them because while they mean well, they
    can't teach very well!

    If this "Missing MI" moved from Michigan to Georgia, he/she made a BAD
    choice, and it sounds like they know it. However, with the MI economy
    how it is, they were probably laid-off and had no chance of getting
    another job in MI, so they made the best of a bad situation. Missing MI
    might try some of the other areas that treat teachers a bit better. New
    England, NY, and Illinois all have good or decent pay, tenure, etc. I
    have some friends out there in each of these areas. They aren't "hot to
    hire" like they are in Georgia, because they can hold onto their
    teachers and people WANT to teach there, not just settle. However,
    these areas, for the most part, are better than MI economically and
    there are SOME jobs, though not enough.


    > On 3/09/08, i will defend missing mi wrote:
    >> I agree with almost everything Missing MI says....Teachers are made
    >> to feel that if they are paycheck to paycheck, lunch
    >> babysitters "that they got what they asked for" by getting into
    >> this profession. Teachers down South are rarely treated with
    >> respect. I work at a charter school in MI and mommies don't come
    >> into help, we have to eat with our kids. I'm sorry but that
    >> doesn't benefit the kids to have a teacher that hasn't had any
    >> relief time. Teachers need a break, ask someone "How do you feel
    >> about having 25 five year olds from 8-3 everyday?" They will get a
    >> priceless look on their face and probably say "No thanks" so while
    >> Missing MI complains she has some good points that some people just
    >> don't understand. We are professionals and why some of you have
    >> lowered your standards I don't know. To Missing MI: you have valid
    >> points and I agree whole heartedly with you, but my suggestion,
    >> when people get on here, don't say "move out of michigan" that
    >> seems to be your answer for everything, i guess just don't be rude
    >> and be a little more sensitive to other people's situations.
    >>
    >>
    >> On 3/09/08, Ticked off PROFESSIONAL wrote:
    >>> On 3/08/08, Teacher wrote:
    >>>> We can talk about how teachers are
    >>>> not paid like professionals and all the stuff we have to put up
    >>>> with all night long....but the reason we choose this job is
    >>>> because we want to make a difference in the lives of kids.
    >>>
    >>> I absolutely hate this arguement. Its so flawed and full of crap!
    >>> How dare you presume to know why I, or anyone else, went into
    >>> teaching.
    >>>
    >>> In no profession is there a universal reason why everyone went
    >>> into the profession. This includes teaching. Some cops, for
    >>> instance, went into their field because they had an intrinsic,
    >>> altruistic motivation to help people and fight crime. Others went
    >>> in because they like uniforms and think carrying a gun is cool.
    >>> Now that doesn't mean that the uniform/gun guy isn't a great cop,
    >>> and that the "help people" guy is off the force in a year.
    >>>
    >>> Its the same thing in our field. Some went in for all the
    >>> intrinsic, "save-the-world" stuff, and some like me wanted a
    >>> steady job with decent pay, benefits, retirement, and summers off.
    >>>
    >>> Now guess what?? I'm a freaking great teacher! I've never had
    >>> anything under an "Excellent" evaluation, even on my first year.
    >>> I teach sped and have taken kids who at 15 can't read, can't even
    >>> start the Gates-MacGinitie, and taken them to reading at the 8th
    >>> grade level by the time they're 18. I've had parents cry in my
    >>> office in gratitude. Yeah, I've had my failures, but I'd take my
    >>> 8 years of teaching, stack it up against everyone else, and
    >>> guarantee you I'm well above average in the "making a difference"
    >>> catagory.
    >>>
    >>> Guess what? Many of the people who started with me who were going
    >>> to help every child and save the world are not teaching anymore!
    >>> They realized they can't save the world in a high school, and that
    >>> they can't impact every single kid, so they got frustrated and
    >>> left!
    >>>
    >>> Don't you dare say teachers who have the backbone to demand decent
    >>> treatment and wages aren't good at their job! Not wanting to
    >>> watch kids at lunch doesn't make us bad teachers! It makes us bad
    >>> cafeteria employees, but certainly not bad teachers! My not
    >>> wanting to watch kids throw fries at each other, FOR NO PAY, does
    >>> not make me uncaring. It just means I have some self respect for
    >>> myself and my profession.
    >>>
    >>> In my experience, the bleeding hearts are crying in the teaching
    >>> lounge because some kid told him/her to F-off, while the more
    >>> pragmatic of us would brush that off and teach. When people feel
    >>> valued as professionals, they put forth a good effort and expect
    >>> fair treatment and compensation back. Thats a good system! When
    >>> people feel like they're doing charity work, they loose their
    >>> enthusiasm when they realize the streets aren't paved with gold
    >>> and eventually quit. You want volunteers teaching kids? People
    >>> pure of heart? Then have a bunch of mommies come in to donate
    >>> their time and see how well they teach. See how long they keep
    >>> coming in too!
    >>>

     
     

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