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Re: Your sterotypes make you look very small!
Posted by Actually I can compare.. on 3/10/08

    Born and raised in the Midwest, still own the family farm. Taught there
    for twenty+ years, Teamster. 20 year NEA union rep, so yes, I can compare.

    I never said one derogatory thing about Michigan, and I definitely don't
    pretend to be an expert on the subject. I hope the previous poster will do
    likewise.

    If you want, I'll be glad to actually compare the job
    outlook/economy/state of education of the two states, but I can see that
    you are excited about a duty free lunch for the teachers that still have a
    job, so I won't ruin your day.

    Funny thing is, I don't see a lot of people moving back to Michigan from
    Georgia. Hmmmmmm.


    On 3/09/08, Marie wrote:
    > I am actually from Georgia (south of Atlanta) and moved to MI, husband
    > was transferred. Us Southerners don't know what we're missing (duty
    > free lunch, prep time etc.) These are all good things, maybe Missing
    > MI isn't saying things the right way but I get her point. I always
    > thought Gwinnett County paid better than most districts in GA, but I
    > guess when you come down from Birminigham, MI, your pay seems very
    > small. My life doesn't suck at all, like you seem to think. I don't
    > think you'll find one person that prefers to have no prep and no lunch
    > hour, most people would like to have a duty free lunch and prep time
    > to take a breather. It's more beneficial to the students, and isn't
    > that what it's all about, according to you. I do agree that Missing
    > MI hasn't been in GA long enough to make all those comments but unless
    > you know how lucky these teachers have it up here, you can't compare.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On 3/09/08, trey wrote:
    >> So if you are such an expert on Southern teaching, how many years
    > have
    >> you taught there, and in what district?? You only make your
    > reasoning
    >> seem ignorant, and bitter when you make stereotyping comments about
    >> something you know little or nothing. Your defense of Missing
    >> Michigan, who has been asked to stay off the Michigan and Georgia
    >> boards by her peers, with your small-minded, angry, disjointed,
    >> ramblings, only makes you appear very much like her.
    >>
    >> Basically, put up or shut up. You don't like what you are doing, or
    >> where you are at, then do something about it. Making excuses for why
    >> your life sucks is not something people really care about. Missing
    >> Michigan is a self-absorbed, whiny, wanna-be teacher who doesn't have
    >> a clue about anything other than her self-centered world. She spends
    >> her time complaining, criticizing, and insulting everyone and
    >> everything and that includes both Georgia AND Michigan.
    >>
    >> On second thought, you two would make a perfect pair.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 3/09/08, i will defend missing mi wrote:
    >>> I agree with almost everything Missing MI says....Teachers are made
    >>> to feel that if they are paycheck to paycheck, lunch
    >>> babysitters "that they got what they asked for" by getting into
    >>> this profession. Teachers down South are rarely treated with
    >>> respect. I work at a charter school in MI and mommies don't come
    >>> into help, we have to eat with our kids. I'm sorry but that
    >>> doesn't benefit the kids to have a teacher that hasn't had any
    >>> relief time. Teachers need a break, ask someone "How do you feel
    >>> about having 25 five year olds from 8-3 everyday?" They will get a
    >>> priceless look on their face and probably say "No thanks" so while
    >>> Missing MI complains she has some good points that some people just
    >>> don't understand. We are professionals and why some of you have
    >>> lowered your standards I don't know. To Missing MI: you have valid
    >>> points and I agree whole heartedly with you, but my suggestion,
    >>> when people get on here, don't say "move out of michigan" that
    >>> seems to be your answer for everything, i guess just don't be rude
    >>> and be a little more sensitive to other people's situations.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 3/09/08, Ticked off PROFESSIONAL wrote:
    >>>> On 3/08/08, Teacher wrote:
    >>>>> We can talk about how teachers are
    >>>>> not paid like professionals and all the stuff we have to put up
    >>>>> with all night long....but the reason we choose this job is
    >>>>> because we want to make a difference in the lives of kids.
    >>>>
    >>>> I absolutely hate this arguement. Its so flawed and full of crap!
    >>>> How dare you presume to know why I, or anyone else, went into
    >>>> teaching.
    >>>>
    >>>> In no profession is there a universal reason why everyone went
    >>>> into the profession. This includes teaching. Some cops, for
    >>>> instance, went into their field because they had an intrinsic,
    >>>> altruistic motivation to help people and fight crime. Others went
    >>>> in because they like uniforms and think carrying a gun is cool.
    >>>> Now that doesn't mean that the uniform/gun guy isn't a great cop,
    >>>> and that the "help people" guy is off the force in a year.
    >>>>
    >>>> Its the same thing in our field. Some went in for all the
    >>>> intrinsic, "save-the-world" stuff, and some like me wanted a
    >>>> steady job with decent pay, benefits, retirement, and summers off.
    >>>>
    >>>> Now guess what?? I'm a freaking great teacher! I've never had
    >>>> anything under an "Excellent" evaluation, even on my first year.
    >>>> I teach sped and have taken kids who at 15 can't read, can't even
    >>>> start the Gates-MacGinitie, and taken them to reading at the 8th
    >>>> grade level by the time they're 18. I've had parents cry in my
    >>>> office in gratitude. Yeah, I've had my failures, but I'd take my
    >>>> 8 years of teaching, stack it up against everyone else, and
    >>>> guarantee you I'm well above average in the "making a difference"
    >>>> catagory.
    >>>>
    >>>> Guess what? Many of the people who started with me who were going
    >>>> to help every child and save the world are not teaching anymore!
    >>>> They realized they can't save the world in a high school, and that
    >>>> they can't impact every single kid, so they got frustrated and
    >>>> left!
    >>>>
    >>>> Don't you dare say teachers who have the backbone to demand decent
    >>>> treatment and wages aren't good at their job! Not wanting to
    >>>> watch kids at lunch doesn't make us bad teachers! It makes us bad
    >>>> cafeteria employees, but certainly not bad teachers! My not
    >>>> wanting to watch kids throw fries at each other, FOR NO PAY, does
    >>>> not make me uncaring. It just means I have some self respect for
    >>>> myself and my profession.
    >>>>
    >>>> In my experience, the bleeding hearts are crying in the teaching
    >>>> lounge because some kid told him/her to F-off, while the more
    >>>> pragmatic of us would brush that off and teach. When people feel
    >>>> valued as professionals, they put forth a good effort and expect
    >>>> fair treatment and compensation back. Thats a good system! When
    >>>> people feel like they're doing charity work, they loose their
    >>>> enthusiasm when they realize the streets aren't paved with gold
    >>>> and eventually quit. You want volunteers teaching kids? People
    >>>> pure of heart? Then have a bunch of mommies come in to donate
    >>>> their time and see how well they teach. See how long they keep
    >>>> coming in too!
    >>>>

     
     

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