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Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree
Posted by amb on 5/13/08
My question is why aren't our higher ed systems preparing students
for this? So many students go through college and aren't told by
counselors, career services, etc. that getting a degree in Secondary
SS or phys ed may not be the best choice. There are jobs out there
but not many people are qualified... i.e. ESL, Spanish. I have a
major in Spanish and got a job no problem. Granted, not everyone is
cut out to teach ESL or Spanish, but those who could should be told
earlier in college. On 4/30/08, Mark wrote:
> On 4/30/08, S.HTeacher wrote:
>> My husband won't leave Michigan though.
>
> Now thats what your university should have told you, that you'll
> have to leave the state or work for peanuts at a Charter, if
> you're lucky.
>
> Last year there were articles in the Free Press about 80 percent
> of education grads having to leave the state to find work. It was
> part of a series about higher education and where Michigan needs
> more grads to attract business, and where its throwing away money
> supporting schools that turn out grads that will either not get a
> job, or have to move away. Education and
> Journalism/Communications were the two big ones. Thousands of
> would-be teachers and reporters and few jobs to be had anywhere in
> Michigan.
>
> I really hope that the news gets around. I'm hearing more
> non-teachers talk about the poor teacher job market now, but that
> might be because almost all job markets in MI are bad. Education
> degrees are becoming much like History, Psychology, or Philosophy
> Bachelor degrees. I mean, there are some people who will always
> study these fields, but they're almost useless. Education isn't
> quite there because there ARE jobs in teaching, just way too few,
> and there are practically no jobs for Philosophy BAs, other than
> general jobs that require any degree.
>
> So 80 percent of the Ed grads last year didn't get jobs. Another
> 10-15 percent got crappy jobs at Charters, Privates, and poor
> districts that they really don't want. So, nearly all of last
> year's grads will be in the job market, plus there are the 2008
> grads coming up. Don't forget the 2006 grads... and the 2005,
> 2004, and so on. Sure, some move out of state, but all in all,
> this makes for a nearly impossible job market.
>
> I hate to sound so negative, but I've been through the mill. I
> had to both get certified in Special Education and move to another
> state (Illinois), which isn't a booming teacher job market itself,
> but much better than MI (hard to get worse). Really, its harder
> than going out for the space program. The applications, phone
> calls, reference letters, copies, postage, saliva spent licking
> envelopes, etc! Its exhausting and so terribly futile.
>
> I've been there, as have many others on this board. My advice is
> to either convince your husband to move, or not put too much hope
> in getting a teaching job and pursue other opportunities. Do not
> expect to find a job in MI teaching. There are thousands who won't.
>
> Good luck, I really hope you land a job, but you look at the odds
> and you just gotta shake your head. Work the connections hard...
> try to get pictures of a superintendent or a board member cheating
> on their spouse. Really, thats what you need!
>>
>> On 4/30/08, markMI wrote:
>>> On 4/30/08, SHTeacher wrote:
>>>> Why is it so hard for teachers with Master degrees to get
>>> a job in MI?
>>>
>>> Ummm, its hard for ANY teacher to get a job in Michigan.
>>> There are literally tens of thousands of certified teachers
>>> who are unemployed, or underemployed (working in day care or
>>> as an aide).
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am currently going through a progam where I will be
>>>> receiving Provisional certfication + a Master's degree.
>>>> People are telling me that I should not have done that
>>>> because many school districts will not higher a new
>>> teacher with a Masters.
>>>
>>> People tell me I should get hair implants and that I'll
>>> never get a date being a bald guy. They're wrong, but yeah,
>>> there are some women who won't date a bald guy.
>>>
>>> Same thing. There are districts who won't hire a Master's
>>> degree. Its about dollars. They have to pay you more and
>>> most districts in MI are cutting back and trying to save
>>> every dollar. There are, however, some administrators who
>>> don't like having to hire a new teacher every couple of
>>> years, because most of that 50 percent that quits teaching
>>> are newbies with only a BA. Statistically, teachers with the
>>> MA are more dedicated and invested in education and are more
>>> likely to stay.
>>>
>>> > It sends a message that teacher's should not strive for
>>>> advanced degrees, only AFTER they have a job, if then.
>>>
>>> Again, there's not 100 percent in education. Some
>>> districts/admins might have this point of view, others might
>>> not. There's no 100 percent certain way to get, or not get,
>>> a job. What one person reading a resume loves, another will
>>> hate.
>>>
>>>> Now I see that
>>>> they were right.
>>>
>>> Why? Just because others who don't know say the same thing?
>>>
>>>> What do I do now? Will I ever get a job?
>>>
>>> No, you probably won't get a job in MI. That has nothing to
>>> do with having a Master's degree and everything to do with
>>> the fact that you're a teacher in the state of Michigan.
>>> For every elementary education job in MI there are more than
>>> a thousand applicants. That's not exaggeration. Most
>>> regular ed jobs are like this. Even Special Ed, usually a
>>> shortage field in most states, has dozens of applicants per
>>> job.
>>>
>>> What will you do now? You'll do what all the education
>>> grads in MI do, with a BA or a MA. You'll wait tables or
>>> become assistant manager of Foot Locker, if you can get
>>> those jobs. You'll apply and apply with almost no hope of
>>> getting a public school job. You may, just possibly, get a
>>> job at a Charter or Private school, where you'll work long
>>> hours, get treated badly, and make much less than you would
>>> have at Foot Locker. You'll do it with a smile because
>>> there are a hundred other would-be teachers who would take
>>> your crappy Charter job if you don't want it, and your
>>> bosses will know that and remind you of it every day!
>>>
>>> If you ever do want to teach public, you'll have to make the
>>> decision to move and pursue districts in another state.
>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of MI districts who happily hire new
>>>> teachers with a Master's?
>>>
>>> There are no Michigan districts that will happily hire
>>> anyone. They likely have a list of laid off teachers they
>>> have to call back first. Then, if they don't have a lay-off
>>> to call back, they'll try to shove more kids in an existing
>>> classroom to keep from spending money they don't have on a
>>> new teacher. Then, if there's no way around it, they'll
>>> hire a new teacher, preferably half-time. They'll likely
>>> have a list of people, either formal or informal, they know
>>> or are related to that they'll hire before they look at any
>>> applications from an unknown like yourself.
>>>
>>> So, its not that you're a new teacher with a Master's degree
>>> that won't get you hired. Its that you're a new teacher...
>>> period.
Posts on this thread, including this one
- Teachers with a Master's Degree, 4/30/08, by SHTeacher.
- Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree, 4/30/08, by markMI.
- Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree, 4/30/08, by S.HTeacher.
- Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree, 4/30/08, by SpecEd Teacher.
- Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree, 4/30/08, by Missing MI.
- Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree, 4/30/08, by Mark.
- Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree, 5/13/08, by amb.
- Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree, 5/13/08, by S.H.Teacher.
- Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree, 5/13/08, by SpecEd Teacher.
- Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree, 5/13/08, by S.H.Teacher.
- Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree, 5/13/08, by amb.
- Re: Teachers with a Master's Degree, 5/13/08, by Mark.
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