Re: AESOP and jobulator...
Posted by: teacher on 12/31/09
No one is forcing you to work for them. If you don't want t pay then
don't work. A sub is a contract employer. Its the same as working for an
AMWAy or Avon. You are not guaranteed a job or a paycheck.
On 12/31/09, Matthew wrote:
> Not sure how "at will" employment is at all relevant. The ethics of a
> private company selling some exclusive access to a government job (or to
> any job) have nothing to do with what state or country it takes place
> in. It is corrupt and wrong.
>
> Matthew
>
> On 12/30/09, teacher wrote:
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that you don't have much of a case. Since Michigan
>> is an "at-will employment" state, there is nothing saying that you
>> have to work for them.
>>
>> On 12/29/09, Matthew wrote:
>>> David,
>>>
>>> I am very surprised that Jobulator is legal at all. Having
>>> Jobulator will make it easier to get assignments. Since subs
>>> compete for assignments this means Jobulator offers a competitive
>>> advantage. Since you are selling it this means you are selling a
>>> competitive advantage to subs based on your own insider status.
>>> If I worked somewhere and offered potential employees a phone
>>> call as soon as a job opened up, for $40, while everyone else had
>>> to wait for the ad, it would be no less unethical.
>>> Please consult a third party you trust on the ethical and
>>> legal problems with Jobulator and rethink your business model. I
>>> think you have made a huge mistake.
>>> I'm a sub who is a sworn enemy at this point on ethical
>>> grounds. I will do everything I can in the future to fight
>>> against your company because I think you have abused your position.
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/27/09, David from Frontline, creators of Jobulator and Aesop
>>> wrote:
>>>> Greetings.
>>>>
>>>> Hey MI Sub,
>>>>
>>>> I think I can help you clear up some misunderstandings.
>>>>
>>>> First, nobody has to buy Jobulator to get jobs. Aesop is
>>>> always there and it's always free to subs (paid for by the
>>>> district). In fact, Jobulator simply looks inside your Aesop
>>>> account and draws its information from there.
>>>>
>>>> Jobulator was created in response to the needs of those subs
>>>> who told us that they were spending a tremendous amount of time
>>>> in front of their computers, refreshing the screen and waiting
>>>> for new jobs to appear. They just wanted a way get out of
>>>> their chairs, without feeling like they would miss something if
>>>> they did.
>>>>
>>>> Jobulator is designed to do just that and we hear that's it's
>>>> given thousands of subs their lives back. OK, so maybe that's
>>>> a bit of an exaggeration, but that's how people have told us
>>>> they feel. They turn-up their speakers, freely walk around the
>>>> house and are confidant that they'll be notified when jobs come in.
>>>>
>>>> Why do charge $40 a YEAR for Jobulator (after the free trial)?
>>>> We have to, and our experience with the over 10,000 subs who
>>>> are already using Jobulator confirms that they think it's
>>>> affordable and worthwhile. On our end, it takes a certain
>>>> amount of additional back-end infrastructure technology,
>>>> customer support and of course, programming to create the
>>>> Jobulator widget and keep it working.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that makes sense, and that you'll try Jobulator for free.
>>>> If it makes sense for you, great. If not, please continue to
>>>> use Aesop - for free.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that's helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> David from Frontline
>>>> Creators of Jobulator & Aesop
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- Re: AESOP and jobulator..., 10/27/09, by David from Frontline, creators of Jobulator and Aesop.
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