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Nepotism

by Phil

Feb 9, 2011

How much nepotism is in your district?

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Steve Oh ok, I see your point. I agree with you, I don't think it would have an effect on the students one way or another.

On 3/07/11, You missed the point wrote: > No one said it doesn't exist. At least one poster made the > point that networking and knowing someone is an accepted > practice for getting a job just about anywhere. >...See MoreOh ok, I see your point. I agree with you, I don't think it would have an effect on the students one way or another.

On 3/07/11, You missed the point wrote: > No one said it doesn't exist. At least one poster made the > point that networking and knowing someone is an accepted > practice for getting a job just about anywhere. > > The issue is that Jan and subber whined about the terrible > consequences it supposedly has on the students. Of course, > they had nothing to back that up and in the one case that > subber claimed to have evidence, the evidence showed the exact > opposite when you looked a level down. > > On 3/07/11, Steve wrote: >> I don't know why you guys are so resistant to the claim that >> there could be instances of nepotism in NJ schools. >> >> I worked for a district where there were some candidates >> hired without a formal interview because they were >> recommended by the super or someone in the BOE. I even lost >> my TA job at a private school a few years back because the >> director's son needed a job and I was at the bottom of the >> totem pole. >> Do I have anything to back up my claims? No, it's all first >> hand experience, but it does happen. >> >> On 3/06/11, Subbers claim is bogus wrote: >>> Nice, posting a link to an article with no numbers to >>> back it up. >>> >>> Your claim based on the article is a fraud. Let's deal >>> with real numbers and not the so-called opinion of a >>> rejected sub (and a fired teacher named Jan). >>> >>> For the 2009-2010 school year: *) The number of Edison >>> students who scored advanced proficiency on the >>> Language Arts HSPA was 6 percentage points HIGHER than >>> the state average for advanced proficiency. *) The >>> number of Edison students who scored advanced >>> proficiency on the Math HSPA was 17 percentages point >>> HIGHER than the state average for advanced proficiency. >>> *) Edison's SAT scores were equal to or exceeded the >>> state average for SAT scores. *) Edison's drop-out rate >>> was 0.5% versus a state average of 1.7% >>> >>> So, the numbers say you are talking from a completely >>> uneducated and uninformed perspective. You don't have a >>> clue. >>> >>> Get your facts right. Given the amount of school >>> districts in NJ, the numbers noted above say that there >>> are HUNDREDS of school districts in NJ that wish they >>> had Edison's "problem." >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/02/11, Who's Whining? (a.k.a. Subber123) wrote: >>>> If nepotism was not a problem, why would they be >>>> trying to pass a bill to eliminate it? See the >>>> following FACTS here >>>> [link removed].

Mar 8, 2011

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SO TRUE!!!!!!!! On 2/15/11, frankidog wrote: > On 2/09/11, Phil wrote: >> How much nepotism is in your district? > > If you are the son, daughter, niece or nephew of someone > or or close to someone such as a chief school administrator > or are an ex-mayor or ex-cop on a hefty pension you have a > shot of getting hired. > > If you ar...See More

May 12, 2011

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Admittedly whining The problem is, there is no "Journal Of Teacher Hiring" where peer-related articles about superintendents' hiring relatives are published. EVERYBODY who thinks they lost or didn't get a job because a relative/friend was hired bases it on hearsay. So Nepotism Defenders or Deniers are holding the Nepotism Accusers to a standard that can't be reached....See MoreThe problem is, there is no "Journal Of Teacher Hiring" where peer-related articles about superintendents' hiring relatives are published. EVERYBODY who thinks they lost or didn't get a job because a relative/friend was hired bases it on hearsay. So Nepotism Defenders or Deniers are holding the Nepotism Accusers to a standard that can't be reached. Hearsay can't be admitted in court, but on a message board? I think the standards are a bit lower to introduce facts into evidence.

Anyway, here is some evidence: 1. My kindergarten teacher was the daughter-in-law of my first principal. 2. My first gym teacher was the SIL of my first 5th grade teacher. One of their husbands is now the HS principal, and one of the daughters is now teaching kindergarten. 3. After my 1st 5th grade teacher went out on maternity, they hired the 8th grade teacher's sister. 4. My geometry teacher was the daughter or an English teacher.

None of these teachers were bad--and there were many more where I don't know exactly who they knew/or were related to, if anyone. But the word on the street--and I have heard this from just about everybody--is that you don't get hired without a connection. Teachers are open about it, to some extent. Admissible to court? No.

None of this would matter if there were enough jobs to go around, if teachers weren't under the proverbial gun. But when you don't get hired where you really want to work because a retiree calls in a favor to a principal (happened to me in a different district-- the principal told my friend straight out), it hurts and people get whiny. When you find out that the person has never taught before and was going alternate route (and you have years of experience), you get mad. When results of Praxis Exams, GPA's, recommendations, college majors, certificates, etc. seem to be ignored in the hiring process, it makes a joke out of those requirements. And when those with "connections" are treated preferentially on the job (I've heard stories--hearsay, I'll admit--about people losing control of classes given second chances, for example), you wonder if the kids are affected.

Jul 29, 2011

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miss ellie On 2/24/11, subber123 wrote: > Unions cannot help with nepotism if you are not part of a > union... > > Unfortunately, there is not much we can do. Where I live, a > lot of the teachers have husbands or wives that work in the > district. It's not fair, yet. But, it doesn't seem like > there will be anything we can do about it. ...See More

Jun 23, 2015

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Lynn Miss Ellie,

I too am a teacher looking for a position, and the nepotism is greater than I thought.

In my district multiple interviews are not even being done. They hire a relative, whether they are qualified or not, whether they have a degree or not, whether they have a CE or CEAS, and keep them even if they are not good. What is ...See More

Jul 26, 2015

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