Re: Educating teachers who never leave the classroom

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On 11/16/09, to not really fair system wrote:
> Funny how did you know I was in NE OH? Have you experienced
> this frustration?
>

Unfortunately, I have. I was passed over at the end of last
school year for a position this year in favor of a brand new
(cheaper) graduate with only student teaching experience (which,
as you know is not really experience at all). I was so
ticked,,,,but being here in wonderful NE Ohio, have decided that
the system just sucks and unless you know the right people or have
a family member who donates massive amounts of money to a school,
you have no chance.

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> On 11/16/09, not really a fair system wrote:
>> On 11/15/09, Union vs. No Union wrote:
>>> I agree that unions are responsible for many things but
>>> having been part of
>>> a non-union state I still had a duty free lunch and a
>>> planning period daily. Luckily, I have never had an
>>> power hungry administrator. When I was in a union state
>>> I taught everything right down to art, music and p.e.
>>> and my planning time was once a week. However, I did
>>> have a duty free lunch and never went one year without
>>> a raise. Now in my former non-union state teachers will
>>> most likely lose 10 days of pay, which they found out
>>> about AFTER they signed their contracts. Perhaps I am
>>> wrong but at least what I seem to be finding out now in
>>> OH that there appears to be some sort of hierarchy that
>>> exists for school employees. For example, if a para
>>> position were to be posted then those already working
>>> as paras would be given first consideration before some
>>> "new" person in the district would be given a
>>> crack at the job regardless of qualifications. If I am
>>> a credentialed teacher with a Master's degree and
>>> plenty of classroom experience, why is a person more
>>> qualified than I am simply because he/she has been in
>>> the district longer. What is wrong with the most
>>> qualified person being the right person for the job
>>> rather than the next person in line?
>>>
>>
>>
>> You are absolutely right about this. The districts in
>> Ohio, at least in NE Ohio, will always hire from within
>> and only if there is no one qualified from within will
>> they open a position to a new person to the district. You
>> could have the highest credentials and a reference from
>> the president and they would still hire from within. To
>> me, this is a huge, huge dis-service to the children we
>> are supposed to be looking out for.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/15/09, Cate wrote:
>>>> You are 100% correct. Teachers would still be working
>>>> in "Little House on the Prairie" 1-room
>>>> school houses if unions hadn't stepped up. We would
>>>> still have 45 in our first grade classes. And, kids
>>>> would be allowed to beat us up if the unions weren't
>>>> there to set the laws. You wouldn't have planning
>>>> periods and duty free lunches, also. I will happily
>>>> pay my dues EVERY year!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/09, Yes wrote:
>>>>> Yes, it is true, law does not allow funds of union
>>>>> dues to go to political action, unless the member
>>>>> decides it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't agree with 100% of the stances
>>>>> either....but if it comes down to no union or
>>>>> union, I'll take membership, every time. I've been
>>>>> too much administrator power grab and bad decisions
>>>>> in my near 20 year career that can ruin a teacher's
>>>>> career in its tracks to not be a part of a group
>>>>> that can protect the individual. Teachers have put
>>>>> in too much time and effort in their education and
>>>>> craft to have it destroyed by an administrator or
>>>>> board.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/11/09, OEA member wrote:
>>>>>> You do not have to contribute to the political
>>>>>> action committee (PAC) of most teacher unions.
>>>>>> That is normally an option.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/07/09, Tanisha wrote:
>>>>>>>> I used to work in a charter school where
>>>>>>>> there was no union. Now, thank god, I work in
>>>>>>>> a school district. I make an amount of money
>>>>>>>> I can live on, have good benefits, get to
>>>>>>>> attend professional development,and best of
>>>>>>>> all can advocate for my students with out
>>>>>>>> fear of retribution from administrators who
>>>>>>>> are only out to make money. We need our
>>>>>>>> unions! Anyways, I support all those issues
>>>>>>>> that the NEA supports. Go NEA!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
 

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