Re: The Education System is FAILING
    Posted by: PsyGuy on 7/07/14
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    No its not, the correct pronoun use would be "they". Him, and his are
    not appropriate substitutes for she and her, unless your manual of
    style comes out of the 1800's.

    On 7/04/14, answer wrote:
    >
    > I don't. Gramatically,the pronoun he or him can be used in cases
    > of indeterminate gender.
    >
    > On 7/04/14, PsyGuy wrote:
    >> How do you know Hunter is a him?
    >>
    >> On 7/04/14, to PsyGuy wrote:
    >>> Please let Hunter speak for himself.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 7/04/14, PsyGuy wrote:
    >>>> Hunters "program" is to basically let teachers close their
    >>>> door and do what they, the teacher thinks is best.
    >>>>
    >>>>> Hunter, I can't justify common core as "we" in Texas
    >>>>> don't use it. Psyguy is a proponent of common core so he
    >>>>> would have to enlighten you with CC's program is so
    >>>>> beneficial.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I was replying to your "solutions." Most of your comments
    >>>>> are "general" and various comments may apply to some
    >>>>> schools,
    >>>> but
    >>>>> I would guess that could be applied to any state or
    >>>>> country. None of your comments apply to my school.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So I have to ask....what program are you pushing?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 7/03/14, Huner wrote:
    >>>>>> It's not whether it is new or not, its the fact of the
    >>>>>> matter that there are some serious flaws in today's
    >>>>>> education system. To justify the fact that
    >>>>>> standardization from the Common core is more so
    >>>>>> beneficial than a modem of personalized education is
    >>>>>> absurd. Please explain how you justify that model, I'm
    >>>>>> really curious as about your reasons that back it up.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 7/02/14, AW -- I think you are a little behind the
    >>>>>> times wrote:
    >>>>>>> This philosophy - education mantra
    >>>>>> -- came out about 20 years
    >>>>>>> ago and has been tried in various
    >>>>>> ways since. Nothing
    >>>>>>> mentioned is new.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 7/01/14, Hunter wrote:
    >>>>>>>> I hope I'm not the only person
    >>>>>> here that realizes the
    >>>>>>> current education system is
    >>>>>>>> useless and a TOTAL waste of time
    >>>>>> for all of our students.
    >>>>>>> Often the blame is put
    >>>>>>>> on the teachers (which in some
    >>>>>> cases is absolutely valid),
    >>>>>>> but have people ever
    >>>>>>>> thought that maybe it's the
    >>>>>> curriculum?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Education is not just a delivery
    >>>>>> system (like it is now),
    >>>>>>> it's supposed to be about
    >>>>>>>> teaching kids how to apply the
    >>>>>> concepts of the subjects to
    >>>>>>> real life applications.
    >>>>>>>> It's not about trying to remember
    >>>>>> & repeat. Tell me how
    >>>>>>> long your memory can
    >>>>>>>> hold onto information you find
    >>>>>> boring? Exactly, not long at
    >>>>>>> all. The chance of a
    >>>>>>>> student actually 100% remembering
    >>>>>> the things taught to
    >>>>>>> him/her, is slim to
    >>>>>>>> nothing. Instead of trying to
    >>>>>> teach the technicals to them,
    >>>>>>> lets teach the
    >>>>>>>> technicals, but with an emphasis
    >>>>>> on how to apply these
    >>>>>>> CONCEPTS & the process
    >>>>>>>> to real world problems.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Here are the current problems with
    >>>>>> the education system:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 1) There is no creativity & does
    >>>>>> not allow for individual
    >>>>>>> uniqueness
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 2) We deal with conditioned
    >>>>>> learning, the students can not
    >>>>>>> think for themselves!
    >>>>>>>> They're being taught what to
    >>>>>> think, instead of them finding
    >>>>>>> the answers on their
    >>>>>>>> own.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 3) It's BORING, students HATE
    >>>>>> going to school! Lets change
    >>>>>>> that! You're not
    >>>>>>>> going to make it into a place they
    >>>>>> love to go to, but at
    >>>>>>> least lets make it
    >>>>>>>> enjoyable!
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 4) There are no classes that apply
    >>>>>> to different problems in
    >>>>>>> the real world.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 5) After freshman year in high
    >>>>>> school, a lot of the
    >>>>>>> information is recycled from
    >>>>>>>> previous years!
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 6) Tests are way too standardized
    >>>>>> and determine whether the
    >>>>>>> student passes or
    >>>>>>>> not. They should HELP with
    >>>>>> learning, not DETERMINE the
    >>>>>>> student's fate.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 7) Kids are not taught how to
    >>>>>> fail, and how to take risks.
    >>>>>>> They are scared to fail!
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 8) We try to teach kids while they
    >>>>>> deal with temptation
    >>>>>>> from technology.
    >>>>>>>> EMBRACE the technology, allow it
    >>>>>> in the class rooms, use it
    >>>>>>> as a tool for learning!
    >>>>>>>> We live in the 21st century, we
    >>>>>> have to adapt to the social
    >>>>>>> changes!
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 9) We tell students how to live in
    >>>>>> a democracy, instead of
    >>>>>>> having them actually
    >>>>>>>> participate in a democracy.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> ---Solutions (Open to revision &
    >>>>>> advice)---
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 1) Allow kids to work from their
    >>>>>> own point of view. Let
    >>>>>>> them learn in their own
    >>>>>>>> unique way.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 2) Have them do more hands-on
    >>>>>> learning, labs, and
    >>>>>>> exercises. Make them draw
    >>>>>>>> their own conclusions & interact
    >>>>>> with the exercise to find
    >>>>>>> the correct answer.
    >>>>>>>> Don't just tell them what they
    >>>>>> need to know, make them
    >>>>>>> figure out how to find
    >>>>>>>> out what they need to know. For
    >>>>>> example: In math, don't
    >>>>>>> just give them a
    >>>>>>>> problem to work out, give them a
    >>>>>> visual of a real world
    >>>>>>> problem (like filling up a
    >>>>>>>> glass of water), then ask them how
    >>>>>> long it takes to fill it
    >>>>>>> up. Make them ask
    >>>>>>>> questions, intrigue their
    >>>>>> curiosity, and make them think
    >>>>>>> about what they need to
    >>>>>>>> figure out in order to solve the
    >>>>>> problem. They need to
    >>>>>>> figure out the dimensions
    >>>>>>>> of the glass, how much water is
    >>>>>> coming out of the faucet
    >>>>>>> per second, etc.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 3) Let them have classes that
    >>>>>> pertain to their interests.
    >>>>>>> Less standardization, and
    >>>>>>>> more personalization! Why do you
    >>>>>> think they're bored at
    >>>>>>> school? Because they're
    >>>>>>>> being force fead stuff they don't
    >>>>>> care about. Let them
    >>>>>>> expand on their passion,
    >>>>>>>> allow them to study what ever it
    >>>>>> is their motivated about,
    >>>>>>> embrace their curiosity
    >>>>>>>> & allow them to feed that
    >>>>>> curiosity. Curiosity is the #1
    >>>>>>> thing that will promote
    >>>>>>>> learning, why are we shunning it?!
    >>>>>> Allow the learning to be
    >>>>>>> open to their
    >>>>>>>> uniqueness, allow for them to
    >>>>>> learn in their own way.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 4) Make classes that apply to the
    >>>>>> world they will live in,
    >>>>>>> in just a few years. Such
    >>>>>>>> as, a class on taxes, opening &
    >>>>>> maintaining a bank account,
    >>>>>>> job interviews,
    >>>>>>>> parenting from a psychological
    >>>>>> standpoint (how different
    >>>>>>> tactics impact the
    >>>>>>>> development of a child), managing
    >>>>>> money, nutrition &
    >>>>>>> physicality, etc.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 5) Allow students to take classes
    >>>>>> that pertain to them &
    >>>>>>> what they want to do. In
    >>>>>>>> high school, they will be
    >>>>>> graduating in a few years, and
    >>>>>>> most kids have NO idea
    >>>>>>>> what they want to do. Why not
    >>>>>> allow for students to take a
    >>>>>>> path that will help
    >>>>>>>> them find what they want to do
    >>>>>> while still in high school,
    >>>>>>> such as them taking
    >>>>>>>> courses towards their future
    >>>>>> career (and will make up most
    >>>>>>> of their curriculum),
    >>>>>>>> again, feed that curiosity! If
    >>>>>> they change their mind on
    >>>>>>> what they want to do,
    >>>>>>>> fine! They're young and still
    >>>>>> learning, and they're still
    >>>>>>> under the roof of their
    >>>>>>>> parents, what better time than to
    >>>>>> change your mind instead
    >>>>>>> of when you're off to
    >>>>>>>> college? (Yes, there will always
    >>>>>> be exceptions to this).
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 6) Tests should help the teachers
    >>>>>> know what the child is
    >>>>>>> having trouble with, not
    >>>>>>>> whether or not the student will
    >>>>>> advance to the next
    >>>>>>> grade/class. If they fail a test
    >>>>>>>> why is it that it fails them in
    >>>>>> the class, and makes them
    >>>>>>> scared to fail? Instead, if
    >>>>>>>> they fail a test, help them with
    >>>>>> their problems & get them
    >>>>>>> to figure out what they
    >>>>>>>> did wrong and to get them to think
    >>>>>> critically about how to
    >>>>>>> correct the mistakes.
    >>>>>>>> This is where you teach kids how
    >>>>>> to fail, how to mistakes,
    >>>>>>> and then how to be
    >>>>>>>> able to look at failures from a
    >>>>>> learning perspective in
    >>>>>>> order to make it better
    >>>>>>>> next time, not from a perspective
    >>>>>> of being scared to fail.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 7) The above question pretty much
    >>>>>> answers this. Allow kids
    >>>>>>> to take risks & to
    >>>>>>>> fail without them being afraid of
    >>>>>> it. Look at all
    >>>>>>> entrepreneurs & people who have
    >>>>>>>> significantly impacted the world,
    >>>>>> do you think they were
    >>>>>>> scared to fail? Sure, but
    >>>>>>>> not to the point of where it
    >>>>>> inhibited them from trying.
    >>>>>>> How many of you have
    >>>>>>>> maybe wanted to pursue your
    >>>>>> passion, or a great idea, but
    >>>>>>> was scared to try?
    >>>>>>>> Probably many. Lets change that!
    >>>>>> Lets take that trait out
    >>>>>>> of our children and
    >>>>>>>> teach them how to embrace failing
    >>>>>> as a learning experience,
    >>>>>>> and not teach them
    >>>>>>>> to be scared of failing to the
    >>>>>> point they don't want to try
    >>>>>>> and take the risk. Teach
    >>>>>>>> kids how to fail, by getting them
    >>>>>> to fail.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 8) Allow a trust between the
    >>>>>> teacher & the student to use
    >>>>>>> their cell phones
    >>>>>>>> during class. A trust that the
    >>>>>> student will use it
    >>>>>>> moderately in an adequate
    >>>>>>>> manner. When abusing of that trust
    >>>>>> starts to happen, THAT
    >>>>>>> is when disciplinary
    >>>>>>>> actions or compromises can take
    >>>>>> place. They suffer from
    >>>>>>> severe temptation from
    >>>>>>>> technology, just allow it! In
    >>>>>> other cases, use it as a
    >>>>>>> teaching tool! Have them get
    >>>>>>>> on their phones & find a way to
    >>>>>> incorporate it into the
    >>>>>>> lesson. Let them get on
    >>>>>>>> their favorite apps or websites,
    >>>>>> and find a way to
    >>>>>>> incorporate it into the lesson.
    >>>>>>>> We are in the 21st century, it's
    >>>>>> time to adapt.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> 9) Allow the school to be ran in a
    >>>>>> manner similar to a
    >>>>>>> democracy. Allow trust
    >>>>>>>> between the students and the
    >>>>>> governing body. You want to
    >>>>>>> teach kids how to be
    >>>>>>>> good members of society, and how
    >>>>>> to support a government of
    >>>>>>> democracy? This
    >>>>>>>> is how you do it. Make it
    >>>>>> adequate. Obviously they are
    >>>>>>> children and don't fully
    >>>>>>>> know how to behave correctly, but
    >>>>>> make it adequate to where
    >>>>>>> they have a say in
    >>>>>>>> their education and how things are
    >>>>>> ran. As they increase in
    >>>>>>> age from elementary
    >>>>>>>> to high school, increase the power
    >>>>>> they have. Why do we
    >>>>>>> feel we should run
    >>>>>>>> things that we think are best,
    >>>>>> when they are the students
    >>>>>>> that are actually the
    >>>>>>>> ones learning? They are not
    >>>>>> robots, we don't just program
    >>>>>>> to a
    >>>>>>>> schedule/curriculum that we think
    >>>>>> is best. They are humans
    >>>>>>> that need to have a
    >>>>>>>> say & make things better for
    >>>>>> themselves. They are the ones
    >>>>>>> in the learning
    >>>>>>>> process, they know how to make it
    >>>>>> work better than we do.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> --- What The Objectives of a
    >>>>>> School Should Be---
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Bring creativity back into
    >>>>>> schools. There need not be
    >>>>>>> punishment for failing &
    >>>>>>>> mistakes. Mistakes are simply just
    >>>>>> kids trying to do things
    >>>>>>> form their point of
    >>>>>>>> view, who are we to tell them why
    >>>>>> are wrong in doing that?
    >>>>>>> This allows to create
    >>>>>>>> leaders & innovators, instead of
    >>>>>> kids who are taught what
    >>>>>>> to think. They will now
    >>>>>>>> think for themselves and take
    >>>>>> advantage of their unique
    >>>>>>> abilities and creativity
    >>>>>>>> that they are born with. We need
    >>>>>> to recognize their talents
    >>>>>>> and let them expand
    >>>>>>>> on those talents.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Create students that know how to
    >>>>>> think divergently, outside
    >>>>>>> the box, and how to
    >>>>>>>> recognize & solve problems.
    >>>>>> Education is not about just
    >>>>>>> remembering and
    >>>>>>>> regurgitating, it is about
    >>>>>> learning concepts of problem
    >>>>>>> solving, and being able to
    >>>>>>>> use concepts taught in school to
    >>>>>> apply in the real world.
    >>>>>>> Education is about
    >>>>>>>> inspiring one's mind, not just
    >>>>>> filling their head. The
    >>>>>>> objective is to intrigue
    >>>>>>>> students, get them curious, and to
    >>>>>> ask questions.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Look at all majorly successful
    >>>>>> people and look at what they
    >>>>>>> have in common.
    >>>>>>>> Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines),
    >>>>>> Elon Musk (SpaceX,
    >>>>>>> PayPal, Tesla, & Solar City),
    >>>>>>>> Bill Gates (Microsoft), Steve Jobs
    >>>>>> (Apple), Mark Zuckerburg
    >>>>>>> (Facebook), Henry
    >>>>>>>> Ford (Ford Motors), etc. What do
    >>>>>> these people have in
    >>>>>>> common? They all have the
    >>>>>>>> ability to recognize a problem,
    >>>>>> and think critically to
    >>>>>>> solve that problem. Do you
    >>>>>>>> think it matters what they got on
    >>>>>> their 12 grade calculus
    >>>>>>> test? No. They all were
    >>>>>>>> not afraid to fail nor to take the
    >>>>>> risk. They all ventured
    >>>>>>> into the darkness to try
    >>>>>>>> something new, and to take a
    >>>>>> chance at creating something
    >>>>>>> big. This, along with
    >>>>>>>> the general curriculum, is what we
    >>>>>> need to teach our
    >>>>>>> children.


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  • The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/02/14, by AW -- I think you are a little behind the times.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/03/14, by Huner.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by answer.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by muinteoir.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by To AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by my 2 .
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by my 2 .
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by hmmmmmm.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy's argument is faulty.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by don't sell our kids.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by fight back now.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by whomever.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/11/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/11/14, by about Finland.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/13/14, by Hunter.