Re: The Education System is FAILING
    Posted by: my 2 on 7/07/14
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    Let's say you support a national set of standards. Who is the
    puppeteer? We have Common Core, and over 27 states have
    legislation to get out. Ask yourself, "Why?" You want kids to
    have the choice of the same education as everyone else, but if
    you have Common Standards, you end up with no choice, because if
    you don't like them, you can't move to get away because they are
    everywhere. We already see people moving to Texas to get away
    from Common Core. It is naive to assume that the "standards"
    chosen for everyone by some political person who has never been
    in education are going to be the pot of gold at the end of the
    rainbow. Get real. If you are fighting for poor kids, give
    them a real shot at opportunity. Freedom is always more choice,
    not less. Think about it, there always was a standard spiral
    curriculum, because textbooks were sold to more than one state.
    If things were not standardized at a basic level, that couldn't
    have worked, but it did. Look, just on this chat thread, three
    people can't even agree about the issue of personalized learning
    vs. standardized. Yet, you want someone in Washington to write
    standards for all of us? The question is why would you, who
    pretend to care about poor children, sell your students to the
    money machine of CC and all the testing...to line the pockets
    Gates, Walmart, Broad, etc? Education is not about profits.
    You are fighting on the wrong side and at some deep level you
    must know that selling your students to Wally-world schools
    isn't going to fix the world for them. They will just drop out,
    frustrated over the testing money machine.

    On 7/07/14, PsyGuy wrote:
    > Students ned to have knowledge and understanding of subject
    > material OUTSIDE those fields of study they find interesting.
    >
    > The outside world will require these young students to do
    > various amounts or work and tasks that they DONT find
    > interesting, life is not all about fun.
    >
    > STANDARDS need to be stronger, we are the ONLY country in
    > the world that does not have a NATIONAL curriculum and you
    > dont even want a national standard, your position is basically
    to
    > support NON ACCOUNTABILITY. We tried that we ended up with
    > football players who couldnt read, and nice girls who were
    great
    > teachers pets who couldnt do arithmetic.
    >
    > No they are not all capable of becoming genesis, Intelligence
    > distribution has CONSTANTLY been shown to fit a normal curve.
    >
    > On 7/06/14, To AW wrote:
    >> I am pushing the fact that the main curriculum of schools
    >> should be a model that allows for a personalized
    >> curriculum. Personalization should not be just through
    >> "electives", it should the core of the curriculum.
    >>
    >> Anybody, not just kids, will put forth an extreme amount
    >> of effort to learn things that interest them, and appeal
    >> to them. It needs to be incorporated in every student's
    >> learning.
    >>
    >> Students associate learning with boring things at school.
    >> This only creates kids that are disinterested in doing
    >> anything to learn, or anything to do with school. Instead
    >> of creating students with this attitude, we need to create
    >> students who are intrigued in learning, and want to be
    >> better themselves.
    >>
    >> Also, the standardization needs to abolished. We can not
    >> rank kids based on a set of values that we think are
    >> important. Not all kids are going to be successful at
    >> those values, and the ranking system only tells them that
    >> they aren't good enough to be anything. They're humans.
    >> Humans that have different interests, different talents,
    >> different tastes, and different things they are capable of
    >> excelling at. Why are we not embracing these differences?
    >> We don't encourage students to do what they're good at,
    >> but instead we rank them on what they might not be good
    >> at. Then that ranking effects their future by inhibiting
    >> them from a good college, as well as psychologically
    >> because they feel they aren't capable of doing anything
    >> great.
    >>
    >> Students are not born smart (maybe some), like the ranking
    >> system (GPA/Grades) suggests. They are ALL capable of
    >> becoming geniuses at ANYTHING they please, but when you
    >> tell a student his GPA is bad & compare him to someone
    >> else who is way better, they feel worthless. When really,
    >> that might not even be what interests him, nor where his
    >> talent shines!
    >>
    >>
    >> On 7/04/14, AW wrote:
    >>> Hunter, I can't justify common core as "we" in Texas
    >>> don't use it. Psyguy is a proponent of common core so he
    >>> would have to enlighten you with CC's program is so
    >>> beneficial.
    >>>
    >>> I was replying to your "solutions." Most of your comments
    >>> are "general" and various comments may apply to some
    >>> schools,
    >> but
    >>> I would guess that could be applied to any state or
    >>> country. None of your comments apply to my school.
    >>>
    >>> So I have to ask....what program are you pushing?


    Posts on this thread, including this one

  • The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/01/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/02/14, by AW -- I think you are a little behind the times.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/03/14, by Huner.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by to PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/04/14, by answer.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by muinteoir.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/06/14, by To AW.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by my 2 .
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by my 2 .
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/07/14, by hmmmmmm.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy's argument is faulty.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/08/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by don't sell our kids.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by fight back now.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/09/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by to Hunter.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/10/14, by whomever.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/11/14, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/11/14, by about Finland.
  • Re: The Education System is FAILING, 7/13/14, by Hunter.