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Yes i can compare mass producing iPhones or any consumer
good to the education of children, just because you don't agree
with it doesn't make it flawed. Education and manufacturing are
both system processes. Kids arent unique, lots of educators and
human development professionals want to think they are, but
biologically the cognitive mechanism of learning is equivalent.
Thats why teaching works as a profession. You put 30 kids in a
room, present instruction, and about 24 of them are successful
in the knowledge transfer process.

Yes its against the law now, but laws change, and theres no
reason to create a separate government office or department to
manage a national curriculum.

So, what EVERY other country in the world is brainwashing their
youth because they have a "national curriculum", sounds like a
conspiracy run by extra terrestrials.

Yes students should be assessed based on objective test scores,
thats how EVERY other country in the world does it, and how
this country does it for a lot of professions, want to be a
teacher, you have to take the TeXas PPR and the content exams,
its the same in EVERY regulated profession, why, tests work,
they are scientifically and statistically valid measures of
performance. They have far higher validity and reliability than
some teachers subjective measurement.

On 7/08/14, PsyGuy's argument is faulty wrote:
> PsyGuy's argument is flawed. You can't compare mass
> producing iPhones on a factory line, with the education of
> children, each unique. However, his argument illustrates
> the reason why it is all crashing down. It is against the
> law in the US for the Department of Education to impose a
> "curriculum" or standards on all the schools. That is why
> there was the "Race to the Top" contest, so states would
> grab the $$ and the claim could be made they were choosing
> this crap. PsyGuy only wants the national curr. and
> standards if his political side writes their slant into
> them and the students are getting brainwashed his way. He
> doesn't want them brainwashed by your political team. I
> don't want the gov't. in our schools at all because
> politicians don't know what the heck we do in the
> classroom. Local control and choice is the most powerful
> position, and the one where quality can be chosen for
> students. Take PsyGuy's stand and make Gates and Pearson
> rich...he needs another yacht and mansion by evaluating
> teachers based on student test scores, don't ya' think?
>
>
> On 7/08/14, PsyGuy wrote:
>> The Department of Education.
>>
>> Thats why their called standards, you dont need to "like"
>> them,
> you
>> need to comply with them.
>>
>> Common core sucks, we need a national curriculum that
>> works, just because the first implementation doesnt work
>> does not mean abandon the cause. Every other country in
>> the world has a national curriculum and they didnt get it
>> right the first time either.
>>
>> Would you want your iPhone made without standards, would
>> you want your doctor not held to a standard of care and
>> licensing, or would you prefer your doctor get to do
>> whatever they want because of "freedom" and they dont
>> "like" the standards everyone else agrees with is good
>> patient care.
>>
>> On 7/07/14, my 2 wrote:
>>> Let's say you support a national set of standards. Who
>>> is the puppeteer? We have Common Core, and over 27
>>> states have legislation to get out. Ask yourself, "Why?"
>>> You want kids to have the choice of the same education
>>> as everyone else, but if you have Common Standards, you
>>> end up with no choice,
>> because if
>>> you don't like them, you can't move to get away because
>>> they are everywhere. We already see people moving to
>>> Texas to get away from Common Core. It is naive to
>>> assume that the "standards" chosen for everyone by some
>>> political person who has never been in education are
>>> going to be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
>>> Get real. If you are fighting for poor kids, give them a
>>> real shot at opportunity. Freedom is always more choice,
>>> not less. Think about it, there always was a standard
>>> spiral curriculum, because textbooks were sold to more
>>> than one state. If things were not standardized at a
>>> basic level, that couldn't have worked, but it did.
>>> Look, just on this chat thread, three people can't even
>>> agree about the issue of personalized learning vs.
>>> standardized. Yet, you want someone in Washington to
>>> write standards for all of us? The question is why would
>>> you, who pretend to care about poor children, sell your
>>> students to the money machine of CC and all the
>>> testing...to line the pockets Gates, Walmart, Broad,
>>> etc? Education is not about profits. You are fighting on
>>> the wrong side and at some deep level you must know
that
>>> selling your students to Wally-world schools isn't going
>>> to fix the world for them. They will just drop out,
>>> frustrated over the testing money machine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/07/14, PsyGuy wrote:
>>>> Students ned to have knowledge and understanding of
>>>> subject material OUTSIDE those fields of study they
>>>> find interesting.
>>>>
>>>> The outside world will require these young students to
>>>> do various amounts or work and tasks that they DONT
>>>> find interesting, life is not all about fun.
>>>>
>>>> STANDARDS need to be stronger, we are the ONLY
country
>>>> in the world that does not have a NATIONAL curriculum
>>>> and you dont even want a national standard, your
>>>> position is basically
>>> to
>>>> support NON ACCOUNTABILITY. We tried that we ended
up
>>>> with football players who couldnt read, and nice girls
>>>> who were
>>> great
>>>> teachers pets who couldnt do arithmetic.
>>>>
>>>> No they are not all capable of becoming genesis,
>>>> Intelligence distribution has CONSTANTLY been shown
to
>>>> fit a normal curve.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/06/14, To AW wrote:
>>>>> I am pushing the fact that the main curriculum of
>>>>> schools should be a model that allows for a
>>>>> personalized curriculum. Personalization should not be
>>>>> just through "electives", it should the core of the
>>>>> curriculum.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody, not just kids, will put forth an extreme
>>>>> amount of effort to learn things that interest them,
>>>>> and appeal to them. It needs to be incorporated in
>>>>> every student's learning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Students associate learning with boring things at
>>>>> school. This only creates kids that are disinterested
>>>>> in doing anything to learn, or anything to do with
>>>>> school. Instead of creating students with this
>>>>> attitude, we need to create students who are intrigued
>>>>> in learning, and want to be better themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, the standardization needs to abolished. We can
>>>>> not rank kids based on a set of values that we think
>>>>> are important. Not all kids are going to be successful
>>>>> at those values, and the ranking system only tells
>>>>> them that they aren't good enough to be anything.
>>>>> They're humans. Humans that have different interests,
>>>>> different talents, different tastes, and different
>>>>> things they are capable of excelling at. Why are we
>>>>> not embracing these differences? We don't encourage
>>>>> students to do what they're good at, but instead we
>>>>> rank them on what they might not be good at. Then
that
>>>>> ranking effects their future by inhibiting them from a
>>>>> good college, as well as psychologically because they
>>>>> feel they aren't capable of doing anything great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Students are not born smart (maybe some), like the
>>>>> ranking system (GPA/Grades) suggests. They are ALL
>>>>> capable of becoming geniuses at ANYTHING they
please,
>>>>> but when you tell a student his GPA is bad & compare
>>>>> him to someone else who is way better, they feel
>>>>> worthless. When really, that might not even be what
>>>>> interests him, nor where his talent shines!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/04/14, AW wrote:
>>>>>> Hunter, I can't justify common core as "we" in Texas
>>>>>> don't use it. Psyguy is a proponent of common core
so
>>>>>> he would have to enlighten you with CC's program is
>>>>>> so beneficial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was replying to your "solutions." Most of your
>>>>>> comments are "general" and various comments may
apply
>>>>>> to some schools,
>>>>> but
>>>>>> I would guess that could be applied to any state or
>>>>>> country. None of your comments apply to my school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I have to ask....what program are you pushing?

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