Re: I was treated unfairly
    Posted by: PsyGuy on 10/21/14
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    Principals are supervised, their supervisor is the
    superintendent of schools. They dont have carte blanche. In
    Texas we dont have unions.

    On 9/20/14, anon wrote:
    > It doesn't matter what state you live in, the situation is the
    > same nationwide. Teachers are treated like garbage while
    > administrators get away with murder.
    >
    > Much of the problem is that principals work unsupervised, and
    > much of the problem is with many principals having union
    > protection in many parts of the country.
    >
    > You can get kicked to the curb because an administrator failed
    > to do his or her job while the administrator gets protected by
    > being moved from job to job to job. In my old district, the
    > principal didn't have to go by the negotiated agreement. I
    > was treated like an "at-will" employee, not as somebody who
    > was under contract. I was not told of my rights to file an
    > EEOC complaint by my worthless "union" and its equally useless
    > lawyer. Not only that, but the previous principal I had, who
    > was demoted for sexual misconduct with a subordinate--a firing
    > offense in most areas of the country and even a revocation
    > offense--was this year moved BACK into being a site
    > administrator with principal powers. Outrageous.
    >
    >
    >
    > On 9/18/14, C Davis wrote:
    >> It does NOT take 2 years nor is it next to impossible to
    >> get rid of an EXCEPTIONAL teacher on a continuing
    >> contract.
    >>
    >> I know.
    >>
    >> You can do what they say and it still does not matter.
    >> Teachers have no rights to defend themselves against
    >> slander, lies, and undocumented accusations. You are
    >> whatever they say you are.
    >>
    >> I have taught for 20 years (16 at the same school) and
    >> these unethical practices are used to cover the butts of
    >> inept administrators and students suffer the most, let's
    >> not forget about them.
    >>
    >> It disgusts me what some people will do to ruin the career
    >> of an honest, hard working, experienced, veteran of
    >> ANYTHING.
    >>
    >> They have to surround themselves with ineptness, so they
    >> don't look as bad as they truly are.
    >>
    >> Sadly, that is the state of education today and I have no
    >> reason to believe it will get any better. I fear it will
    >> be much worse and the impact it will have on society in
    >> the future could be extremely damaging to our nation.
    >>
    >> But I am a believer and ALWAYS have hope for my future.
    >>
    >> On 7/11/14, PsyGuy wrote:
    >>> This was a 4 month temporary position, not a annual
    >> contract as
    >>> governed by the TEC/TAC. Getting rid of a teacher ona
    >> continuing
    >>> contract is near impossible it takes a minimum of 2 years
    >> to do so.
    >>> Even on a probationary or term contract, teachers have
    >> one of the
    >>> strongest contract rights in the state. You can not be
    >> called in on
    >>> December 2nd in the middle of the term and have your
    >> principal
    >>> fire you, as could easily happen at say USAA or any other
    >>> organization or company. Your pretty much guaranteed
    >> that
    >>> employment for a year (assuming nothing criminal).
    >>>
    >>> If your boss tells you to change a grade, change the
    >>> grade.
    >> If you
    >>> worked at a bank and your supervisor told you to do
    >> something
    >>> why anyone would think they could say no to their
    >> superior and
    >>> keep their job baffles me.
    >>>
    >>> People are terminated for poor cultural fit int he
    >>> workplace
    >> all the
    >>> time, and this idea that teachers get to be little rulers
    >>> of
    >> their
    >>> classroom feeds that misperception. You work for the
    >> district they
    >>> tell you what to do, and you do it. Thats how "work" and
    >>> professionals handle themselves. You dont have to agree
    >> with it or
    >>> like it, you just have to comply.
    >>>
    >>> Yes there are supervisors who are major jerks EVERY
    >> industry and
    >>> profession has them, grow a thicker skin, be on time,
    >>> keep
    >> the
    >>> kids and the parents happy and collect your paycheck, its
    >> called a
    >>> job, for a reason.
    >>>
    >>> On 7/11/14, anon wrote:
    >>>> On 7/10/14, mini wrote:
    >>>>> I will be naming people and places . They hurt me from
    >>>> having
    >>>>> a job and making a living. I meant no ill will to
    >>>>> anyone. Yet, I was a target on a 4 month contract???
    >>>>> Why hurt my career? What did I do to you? Because for
    >> 13
    >>>> years
    >>>>> I had great evaluations. I took a 4 month short
    >>>>> contract
    >>>> job.
    >>>>> And I have been destroyed. I will name the district,
    >> school
    >>>>> and person that has done this to me. Just to warn other
    >>>> people
    >>>>> what can happen to you. Because it is so unfair my
    >> career
    >>>>> should end because of some 's petty hatred.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Sadly, this goes on all over the United States. Just one
    >>>> person, a principal, can literally destroy your life
    >>>> over literally nothing. And here these dolts in the
    >> privatization
    >>>> movement, and even more than a few teachers, claim it
    >> is
    >>>> "impossible" to get rid of a teacher. It isn't.
    >>>> Something as minor as refusing the change a grade under
    >>>> a principal's direction in order to appease an angry
    >>>> parent is enough
    >> to
    >>>> destroy a teacher's career.
    >>>>
    >>>> Even now, people think a teacher who was forced out or
    >>>> "dismissed" "deserved" it, despite the reality that more
    >> often
    >>>> than not, a school district administrator is the one at
    >> fault.
    >>>> Unfortunately, school districts can and do rig it to
    >>>> help their useless and insane principals and other
    >> administrators
    >>>> in order to keep the "good old boy network" intact.
    >>>>
    >>>> What's worse is school districts insist on having those
    >>>> screening out questions that are designed weed you out
    >> of
    >>>> contention for a job. The question goes something like
    >>>> if
    >> you
    >>>> have ever been non-renewed, forced to resign, resigned
    >> in lieu
    >>>> of a dismissal, or been dismissed, and, if "yes," you
    >>>> have
    >> to
    >>>> give a date and a "detailed" explanation. As if anybody
    >> on
    >>>> the HR screening staff is even going to look beyond the
    >> "yes."
    >>>> Those questions need to be made against the law
    >> because it is
    >>>> a form of blackballing. Besides, school districts
    >>>> already have the ability to look up licenses for license
    >>>> sanctions
    >> and
    >>>> background checks for criminal issues. Just something
    >> as
    >>>> stupid as a personality conflict with a stupid principal
    >>>> or
    >> a
    >>>> district violating FMLA or some other kind of issue
    >> having
    >>>> nothing to do with teaching or public safety should not
    >> be
    >>>> disqualifying. Those questions were put in years ago
    >> when it
    >>>> was unusual for a teacher to be forced out because
    >> principals
    >>>> simply didn't do it for reasons of classroom and school
    >>>> morale. Only those teachers who really did deserve to be
    >>>> forced out actually were. Now it's just any old reason
    >>>> at
    >> all
    >>>> to cover principals' butts or save money on salaries and
    >>>> pensions.
    >>>>
    >>>> School districts don't even have to have a principal
    >>>> give
    >> you
    >>>> a lousy reference. All they have to do is label you a
    >>>> "do
    >> not
    >>>> rehire," and that is typically all it takes to ruin a
    >>>> teacher's job search. School districts have been sued
    >> over
    >>>> that designation of former employees.


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