Re: I was treated unfairly
    Posted by: PsyGuy on 7/17/14
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    Schools do have bottoms lines, have you not heard of private
    schools? They collect/charge tuition and provide a service, the
    quality of the service dictates the price they can charge.

    Even public school districts have a bottom line, as the finance and
    accounting department at any central office.

    On 7/17/14, anon wrote:
    > PsyGuy is an ignoramus. Schools aren't businesses. Because
    > there is no bottom line to worry about, these principals aren't
    > supervised at all and do pretty much what they want. The worse
    > a principal is, the better he or she does. Most of them are
    > utter crap and got where they are because of connections.
    > Talent has utterly nothing to do with being moved up the career
    > ladder.
    >
    > They can literally do absolutely NOTHING, be completely
    > incompetent, and they will be backed to the hilt by school
    > district central offices. Teachers are easily ruined. They are
    > professionals, not Mickey D workers, and should have rights.
    > However, they do not.
    >
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    > On 7/16/14, re: psy Guy's comment wrote:
    >> PsyGuy favors comparing education to business, which is a
    >> fallacy of argument. Schools aren't a business. It is true
    >> that we have a boss, called a principal, and generally
    >> speaking, if your boss tells you to do something you do it or
    >> you risk insubordination which can get you fired--that part
    >> holds true. We are more like an architect, you don't hire
    >> and then try to have an incompetent tell him how to design a
    >> house. The part that does not hold water is that teachers
    >> (when compared to the other world) are more like
    >> subcontractors. We are put on a contract to deliver a
    >> service, and when a principal asks a teacher to do something
    >> as unethical as changing a grade, the case can be made that
    >> the teacher's reputation and career could be affected by going
    >> along with something depending on the circumstances. There
    >> was, in fact, a case where a principal directed a clan of
    >> teachers to cheat on state testing by changing answers. The
    >> teachers went along with it, and ended up facing criminal
    >> charges. We don't work on a factory line, as PsyGuy would
    >> describe. We are essentially free agents that contract with
    >> the schools. For me, I maintain high ethics at all times. We
    >> have to defend our teaching to the community at large and in
    >> the end my job is on the line if my scores aren't strong.
    >> Most of the principals I have worked with don't know how to
    >> lead in the area of instructional design and many don't seem
    >> to know much about classroom management either.
    >>
    >>
    >> On 7/16/14, PsyGuy wrote:
    >>> No business owners are the only ones unsupervised.
    >>> Principals are very much supervised by both the board and
    >>> the sup.
    >>>
    >>> Sure teachers careers can be ruined from evil principals,
    >>> but thats no more or less true than in any profession or
    >>> business. You can have an evil VP that ruins your banking
    >>> career just as easily.
    >>>
    >>> Well if your supervisor tells you to change the grade, Id
    >>> change the grade. Why anyone would think you could tell
    >>> your supervisor no, and keep your job baffles me. Theres a
    >>> reason its called a supervisor subordinate relationship.
    >>> If im going to lose my job its going to be over money or
    >>> seex, not one students grade.
    >>>
    >>> On 7/16/14, anon wrote:
    >>>> Thank you for a great post. It is the truth. PsyGuy
    >>>> should just shut up on threads having to do with the
    >>>> abuse of teachers
    >>> because
    >>>> it is clear he knows nothing of what he is talking about.
    >>>>
    >>>> Principals are the worst supervisors in the economy for
    >>>> the simple reason they aren't supervised. It's rare these
    >>>> days to find one who is any good at all. Teachers can and
    >>>> do get their lives destroyed just on a principal's whim,
    >>>> and anybody who denies this reality is either a liar or
    >>>> an idiot.
    >>>>
    >>>> All it takes to get a career ruined is to refuse to
    >>>> change a grade when a principal orders it because of a
    >>>> parent's complaint. All it takes is to get sick and use
    >>>> FMLA to have a career ruined. It's all about covering for
    >>>> a principal's or other administrator's worthless ass no
    >>>> matter what the consequences to others.
    >>>>
    >>>> On 7/16/14, Empathy and Sympathy wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> PsyGuy? Are you a naturally self-superior, didactic,
    >>>>> person, or do you have to work at it? Bottom line is,
    >>>>> are you for real? Or just putting everyone on.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What in the hell makes you think you know a single thing
    >>>>> about what other people are experiencing and the
    >>>>> motivations behind how certain administrators operate
    >>>>> and why they do as they do.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Sure, you are right in that the job of a principal is to
    >>>>> manage the school and the teachers. And that it is the
    >>>>> job of the teacher to adapt to a new style of management
    >>>>> if required.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> But if you think you can make a silly blanket statement
    >>>>> that all administrators are propelled by nothing more
    >>>>> than a desire to better their school with nothing
    >>>>> personal involved when it comes to teachers, then you
    >>>>> must live on Planet Altair-4.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Whether it fits your fanciful vision or not, there are
    >>>>> some principals out there who are mean, stupid,
    >>>>> vindictive, tyrannical, and have no conscience at all
    >>>>> when it comes to destroying teaching careers. And if
    >>>>> they have it in for you, then no amount of attempted
    >>>>> adaptation on the part of the teacher is going to change
    >>>>> it.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> One bit of proof is that more and more teachers are
    >>>>> finally relating it, and many others are leaving in
    >>>>> droves (as another poster said), because their physical
    >>>>> and mental health, and even sense of personal dignity,
    >>>>> cannot forever withstand the assaults .
    >>>>>
    >>>>> When was the last time *you* (if you ever were at all)
    >>>>> in a classroom? What are *your* credentials to presume
    >>>>> to lecture REAL teachers who know first hand of what
    >>>>> they speak of, as to what they need to know?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Your post is about the most insensitively, boorish, that
    >>>>> I have read it a long time. I don't mean with me...I am
    >>>>> tough enough to handle it, but with Mini. Again, when
    >>>>> was the last time you ever bent over a desk to help a
    >>>>> student or contribute to the teaching realm. Far as that
    >>>>> goes, when was the last time you ever bent over for work
    >>>>> at all, unless it was to kiss some C-Scope executives
    >>>>> patootie (yeah, I have read you before on this one).
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Ordinarily, I wouldn't make comments like this to
    >>>>> anyone. But your post was beyond the pale and shows an
    >>>>> appalling ignorance of the realities of teaching today,
    >>>>> and what more and more educators are forced to endure.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 7/15/14, PsyGuy wrote:
    >>>>>> Well they arent dictators, they are your supervisor,
    >>>>>> and
    >>>>> their job
    >>>>>> is to manage you and the school. Thats means that
    >>>>>> things dont always go your way, and maybe your no
    >>>>>> longer a good fit for the school and its leadership.
    >>>>>> Its your job to be flexible
    >>>>> and
    >>>>>> adapt to your schools leadership and culture, not the
    >>>>>> other
    >>>>> way
    >>>>>> around. Being a good fit for 15 years doesnt mean you
    >>>>>> can
    >>>>> just
    >>>>>> keep repeating that behavior indefinitely. Professional
    >>>>>> good professional adapt to change. Including changes in
    >>>>>> management. I really dont know why people can think
    not
    >>>>>> getting along with your boss is going to somehow be
    >>>>>> okay.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 7/15/14, mini wrote:
    >>>>>>> Thank you so much everyone for your support. I will be
    >>>>>>> substitute teaching. Like some of you are. Because we
    >>>>>>> need to make a living. I can never get past this
    >>>>>>> because employers look at your last job, even if you
    >>>>>>> worked for them before with a great record. I am
    >>>>>>> leaving TX because I can't afford to live here
    >>>>>>> anymore. I will have to go and live with family. That
    >>>>>>> is why I named the good guys and bad guys in my
    >>>>>>> situation. For Psyguy yes this is a job, but in the
    >>>>>>> private sector I at least would have 6 months to prove
    >>>>>>> myself. I didn't get that in a 4 month contract. So, I
    >>>>>>> can only assume it was a hack job. Why,I don't know?
    >>>>>>> Like I said before my direct supervisor and co-
    >>>>>>> workers were very kind, they showed me the ropes, they
    >>>>>>> answered my questions. I got along with them. Thank
    >>>>>>> you everyone. I know I have lost. I just had to say
    >>>>>>> something to someone. Thank you! Thank you!
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