Re: 27,000 a year?
    Posted by: ash on 5/16/15
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    On 5/16/15, Payscale differ wrote:
    I am looking to relocate to Texas and I want to know what the
    Net pay is for Texas teachers. Can anybody help me out?

    > Payscales vary for subs and long-term subs in different
    > districts. But teachers who ARE certified have to be paid
    > the same level -, no matter what district / position
    > you're in per Texas law. Schools with difficulties in
    > filling hard to fill positions most likely will hire
    > uncertified and not-yet certified teachers as short and
    > long-term (year-long) with a promise of large sum payoff
    > at end of contract as if they're certified teachers. This
    > is a way of keeping contracts 'money attractive' to
    > applicants instead of searching and paying already
    > certfified teachers $40K annually at year zero.
    >
    > On 5/14/15, anon wrote:
    >>
    >> Rules about supply and demand do NOT apply in public
    > employment
    >> because they are non-profits.
    >>
    >> It would be highly unfair to pay somebody more money
    > because
    >> they are math or science teachers than kindergarten,
    >> which is a LOT harder work and which helps lay the
    >> groundwork for future academic success.
    >>
    >> The ONLY fair compensation in the public sector is in the
    >> step system.
    >>
    >> Your post is idiotic on its face.
    >>
    >> On 5/13/15, 27K No Way! wrote:
    >>> There is a shortage of teachers in some fields that are
    >>> willing to work for low teacher pay, like Spanish
    >>> speaking ELL, STEM, sped... the list is pretty well
    >>> known and it is similar around the country. These
    >>> "shortages" would be cleared up if they raised the pay
    >>> for these fields.
    >>>
    >>> Texas doesn't have collective bargaining for teachers,
    >>> but it still makes the same mistake collective
    >>> bargaining states make in simply having one salary for
    >>> all teachers. Yes, some of it is based upon performance,
    >>> but there is no recognition of the fact that there are
    >>> sub-sets of teachers that have a very different labor
    >>> market. There is simply a lack of intelligence when it
    >>> comes to understanding supply and demand. A
    >>> Spanish-speaking, HS Math teacher has a lot of other
    >>> career options than a regular old elementary teacher.
    >>> Not to say the elem teacher doesn't work hard, but hard
    >>> work is not (typically) what results in higher pay in a
    >>> free market...
    >>>
    >>> If the supply of teachers outstrips demand for their
    >>> labor, then you must increase the supply by attracting
    >>> more people into the field on a macro-level. That
    >>> Spanish-speaking Math teacher, who has other options in,
    >>> say: IT or engineering, might then be attracted to the
    >>> field. The general ed elementary teacher... probably
    >>> doesn't have that skill set and therefore their labor is
    >>> not as scarce.
    >>>
    >>> On a micro-level, an individual district should increase
    >>> it's pay for the type of teacher that is in short supply
    >>> to attract what supply of labor does exist. A district
    >>> superintendent at one ISD probably can't affect change
    >>> that will bring more Math or Sped teachers into the
    >>> overall labor pool, but they can pay more to attract the
    >>> scarce labor to their classrooms. The problem is that
    >>> they don't think about teachers in sub-sets. They think
    >>> think they need to pay a "shortage" area teacher the
    >>> same as a non-shortage area teacher, which makes pay
    >>> increases insufficient to attract people in the shortage
    >>> fields. You don't need to pay a gym teacher more...,
    >>> there are already a hundred applicants for every
    >>> position, but you might need to pay a STEM or sped
    >>> teacher more because those classrooms could go unfilled.
    >>>
    >>> Regardless: I wouldn't teach any subject for 27K per
    >>> year.
    >>>
    >>> On 5/01/15, PsyGuy wrote:
    >>>> The presentation that there is a shortage of teachers
    >>>> is a myth, there are a lot of teachers that will accept
    >>>> any job that pays more than substituting (which at $80
    >>>> a day for 150 days is $12,000).
    >>>>
    >>>> On 4/24/15, 27k BS wrote:
    >>>>> 27K is garbage pay and you'll attract garbage teachers
    >>>>> at that salary... if that. You could make more in a
    >>>>> call center or cubical farm without the BS involved
    >>>>> with teaching.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 4/21/15, PsyGuy wrote:
    >>>>>> Well yes and no. It is likely that your
    >>>>>> district/school is adapting the state minimum salary
    >>>>>> schedule which is $27,540 for step 0, however the
    >>>>>> salary schedule does increase on average about $500
    >>>>>> per year of experience. You can find the state
    >>>>>> minimum salary schedule here:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>
    > tea.texas.gov/Texas_Educators/Salary_and_Service_Record/M
    >>>>>> inimum _Salary_Schedule/2014-
    > 2015_Minimum_Salary_Schedule/
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Anything more than that is whats referred to as
    >>>>>> "local supplemental" salary, which your district can
    >>>>>> change or eliminate entirely.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> As to why, there could be a number of reasons. First,
    >>>>>> is to incentivise teachers to retire or resign,
    >>>>>> without going through long and expensive grievance
    >>>>>> procedures. Second, is if your district is
    >>>>>> implementing a "pay for performance" or "bonus"
    >>>>>> salary program. You get the
    >>>> state
    >>>>>> minimum and depending on your student pass
    >>>> (satisfactory)
    >>>>>> and commended (advanced) numbers you get bonus pay,
    >>>> which
    >>>>>> may or may not exceed your conventional salary.
    >>>>>> Third, your district may be experiencing a financial
    >>>>>> or budgetary crises, perhaps they are anticipating a
    >>>>>> loss
    >>>> of
    >>>>>> federal funding, etc. There could be a number of
    >>>>>> other reasons.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 4/18/15, Aeiou wrote:
    >>>>>>> Can someone explain this? Does this apply to all
    >>>> current
    >>>>>>> employed teachers? What are they doing to do? Drop
    > my
    >>>>>>> pay to 27,000 after I made 40,000 a year? That is BS
    >>>>>>> if so.....


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  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/14/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/14/15, by Sovetis.
  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/15/15, by my 2.
  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/16/15, by Formeradmin.
  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/17/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: PDAS Stuff, 2/17/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 4/18/15, by Aeiou.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 4/21/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 4/24/15, by 27k BS.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 4/27/15, by BS bs.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/01/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/13/15, by 27K No Way!.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/14/15, by anon.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/16/15, by Payscale differ.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/16/15, by ash.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/17/15, by 27k.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/18/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/18/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/18/15, by Dave.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/18/15, by PsyGuy.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/19/15, by anon.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/19/15, by 27k.
  • Re: 27,000 a year?, 5/20/15, by PsyGuy.